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Good Guys Don't Have Degrees Of Integrity

by Morgana (writer), October 28, 2008

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“I’m not upset that you lied to me; I’m upset that from now on I can’t believe you.”

If we could read the secret history of our enemies, we should find in each person’s life sorrow and suffering enough to disarm all hostility.”  That was Henry Wadsworth Longfellow’s view of bullies.  We human beings are astoundingly quarrelsome creatures.  We are far more prone to conflict than resolution.  The fact that we are ever able to settle any of our differences is a tribute to how deftly we actually can handle conflict.  The fact of how little we do settle is proof of how far we still have to go.  A good start is to be, and be around, a good guy. 

For the bad guys, they are not as smart as they think they are though.  Their contradictions are what trips them up.  New York State Supreme Court Justice Joseph D. McGuire said, “People tend to retain a good or bad character in all areas if life.  For example, if someone cheats on the golf course, I’d assume that he or she will cheat in other areas of life also.  If a person was underhanded in business, I’d assume that his or her personal relationships were also filled with hypocrisy.  Those who cheat at little things will probably cheat at big things also.  Good guys don’t have shades of truth.” 

The moderation of good guys is complex.  The extremism of bad guys is simple.  Good guys’ propensity to bargain is complex.  When reconciliation between good guys is crafted, which demands complexity, deals get struck.  When reconciliation isn’t, bad guys rule, and conflict continues.  Bad guys too often cast aside another’s point of view for the simplicity of extremism.  That choice for extremism happens because extremes makes things more comprehensible by reducing something to the lowest common denominator and, creates the illusion that things can also be made more controllable. 

When it comes to sorting the good guys from the bad guys, prudence rules with trust-based decisions due to the vulnerability we’re putting out by trusting.  Shakespeare wrote, “Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none.”  A trusted relationship is the foundation.  Yet, trust is at an all time low.   Researchers Spector and Jones confirmed that in the work place.  When trust is broken at work, the implications immediately ripple through employees, partners, customers, vendors, shareholders, the cleaning-crew, and clients.  The ripples of damage then spread into personal lives and the public community.  As Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote, the result is “Our distrust is very expensive.” 

So why is there a perception that there are less and less good guys? 

Linda Stroh’s characteristics of good guys are: 

1.                  A history that demonstrates good values so likely to respond in a healthy way when things go wrong.  “I never allow myself to forget that people can sometimes change when placed in situations that challenge them beyond their mental and emotional capabilities,” says Eric Hornbeck, Production Manager, Pinnacle Foods. 

2.                  Admits, and learns, from mistakes.  Why?  Because according to Cynthia Dickens, Regional HR, US Fresh, Sara Lee Corporation, “They were brave enough to tell the truth in a difficult situation.  I’ve seen many relationships explode, not because someone made a mistake, but because someone lied to cover up their mistake.” 

3.                  Treats everyone the same, regardless of hierarchy.  Looks out for others even when their own interests are at stake.  “When someone can set aside his or her own needs and feelings and take into account the other person’s needs and interests when making decisions, that person is trustworthy,” described Dr. Anna Lieblich, Clinical Faculty, The Family Institute at Northwester University. 

4.                  Demonstrates consistent good behaviors.  “I learn the most when the individual does not know they are being monitored,” describes Paul Kasper, Principal, American Securities Capital Partners. 

5.                  Always negotiates in good faith.  Always tries to do the right thing.  “There is a congruence between what they talk about and how they behave,” says Louisa Levy, Nurse Educator, Lake Forest Health & Fitness Institute. 

6.                  Admits when they don’t know something.  “I’m not upset that you lied to me; I’m upset that from now on I can’t believe you,” Friedrich Nietzsche.  Richard H. Lenny, Chairman and CEO, Hershey Company said that “(To be lied to is) a relationship altering perspective.” 

7.                  Genuinely considers others, can see others point of view.  A self-awareness that demonstrates knowledge of how his or her behavior affects others.  Why? Because according to Gary Brown, Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company, “Good guys can put themselves in others’ shoes, or can see themselves in situations others may be in and are then able to understand why others react or act the way they do.  Compassion is what separates good guys from bad guys.” 

8.                  Helps us to be a better person.  Good guys are not wimps.  “I trust someone that won’t be a partner to my bad judgements,” described Patricia Schaeffer, Founding Principal, Talent Strategy. 

9.                  Someone you would willingly and proudly introduce to family and friends.If you can’t serve as a good example, then you’ll have to serve as a horrible warning,” Anonymous. 

10.              Holds themselves to he same standards they do others.  “Someone who is honest with himself is more likely to be honest with me,” says Mary Honecker. 

11.              Does not abandon but rather sticks by others in bad and tough times.  ConAgra Foods Grocery Group president and COO Ray DeRiggi remarked, “The good guys are there to help no matter what the circumstances.  They don’t run away from problems, they work through them, and are not friends only when it is convenient or easy to do so.” 

12.              Speaks the same of people whether in their presence or not.  “(it’s) how a person treats other people and how they talk to them face-to-face and how they talk about them when they are not present.” describes Dr. Fran Daly, Director Costin Institute, Midwestern University. 

13.              Shares resources such as time, space, knowledge, connections, money, and friends.  In Ed’s article "The Return Phone Call: When Did It Die?," he wrote about RRRRR.  According to Under Armour’s Marketing Operations Director, Kimberly Evans, “If someone is sincere and trustworthy, they’ll follow through on promises – to return a call, to keep a date – deadlines, etc., without excuses or, in the worst case, total disregard.” 

The more negative characteristics a person has, the more we should steer way clear of them.  However, what about when trust is shattered?  Forgiveness is complex.  Revenge is simple.  What does the good guy do?  American President John F. Kennedy said “Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names.”  Forgiveness, revenge and reconciliation are common threads in all media.  Mahatma Gandhi believed “The weak can never forgive.  Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.” 

Sources:  “Workplace Upheavals Seems to Be Eroding Employee’s Trust,” The Wall Street Journal June 21, 2000; http://wanderling.tripod.com/wise.html; Foundations of the Metaphysics of Morals, Immanuel Kant; Applying Aristotle’s Wisdom to Finding Meaning and Happiness, James O’Toole; Trust Rules, Linda Stroh; Forgiveness and Reconciliation, Raymond G. Helmick and Rodney L. Petersen.

Graphic from Deric Bownds' MindBlog.



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13 comments on Good Guys Don't Have Degrees Of Integrity

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By HurricaneDean on October 28, 2008 at 06:00 pm

About ten years ago I read the book, The Science of Good & Evil, Why People Cheat, Gossip, Care, Share, and Follow the Golden Rule, by Michael Shermer. Shermer is the founder and director of the Skeptics Society and a well known agnostic. Anyway, in the book he gives two amendments to the Golden Rule. Of course, the Golden Rule is, in the words of Jesus, "As ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise." Luke 6:31.  Shermer's two amendments are, Ask First and Do No Harm.  I've never forgotten the three parts of the Shermer's Golden Rules.

I think your article supports much in Shermer's book and Golden Rules.  This was an interesting and wonderful article to read. An important message. Thanks for sharing.

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By Julian Gallo on October 28, 2008 at 06:30 pm

Michael Shermer is a very interesting guy.  A few years ago I got to meet him.  I went to a discussion he gave on those who want to believe strange things, conspiracy theories, etc, although his talk focused on Holocaust deniers and what drives them.  There was only about 9 people there...so we all got to meet him and talk to him afterwards.  Nice guy.  Very smart. 

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By HurricaneDean on October 28, 2008 at 06:46 pm

See how good my memory is, I just picked up his book and saw he wrote the book I was refering to only four years ago.  Oops! LOL!

Hey Julian, he also wrote the book, Why People Believe Weird Things. Perhaps he was promoting that book at the time. I bet he was a nice guy. It sounds like you had a great opportunity there. Cheers

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By Julian Gallo on October 28, 2008 at 07:18 pm

Dean,

I think that was the book he was promoting.  But he focused his talk on the Holocaust deniers that night.  It was very interesting how people can look at reality and then just simply deny the facts, as if what they are seeing isn't real. 

When my friend and I spoke to him, we spoke to him about a lot of different things, but we touched on the Objectivist movement and he pointed us to an article he wrote called "The Most Unlikely Cult" or something like that.  It was a good talk.

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By Craig B on October 28, 2008 at 08:04 pm

M - you make points about the bad guys being very simple, and that the bad guys are not as smart as they think they are.  That sure made my job easier.

Dean – good point about Ask First.  That simple step eliminates so many misunderstandings.

J – good point “how people can look at reality and then just simply deny the facts.”  I never got that either.

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By Garry Crystal on October 28, 2008 at 08:28 pm

I totally agree with point seven. It amazes me the scorn that some people throw out on others such as homeless people, beggars, addicts, whatever, simply because they cannot find it  in themselves to see what people are actually going through or put themselves in another's place.  Someone told me once, always try to be understanding even if someone is being a pain in the ass, they could be going through the most difficult time in their life and you are not aware of it...and yet i'm also a skeptic, idealist and an agnostic and believe in existentialism, uh my head hurts! Good read though.

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By Julian Gallo on October 29, 2008 at 05:17 am

Someone told me once, always try to be understanding even if someone is being a pain in the ass, they could be going through the most difficult time in their life and you are not aware of it..

Very true.  I think of this sometimes when you see the homeless people come through on the subway begging for change.  Some people get really annoyed, others just ignore them.  (Some of them are just plain crazy).  I don't think a lot of people are annoyed or scornful of them, though.  I think sometimes people feel there really isn't much they can do for them.  You can give them some spare change once in a while but I think people feel they can't do it all the time, even if there is a voice inside them telling them they should. 

And this being New York, sometimes people are just naturally cynical, thinking it's always some kind of scam.  I remember once I used to see this guy come through all the time, saying he was a Vietnam veteran.  He was in a wheelchair and made this pitch that he was a victim of Agent Orange and was confined to his wheelchair and needed help.  He really looked and seemed messed up and I would give him money all the time.  One day, I see him get off the train, stand up from his wheelchair, fold it up and walk up the stairs.  What are you gonna do, right?  So sometimes people think they're being taken. 

But as far as your overall point goes, you're right.  We really don't know what their circumstances really are.  I say if you can spare it, and you want to, fine, help them out.  I do it often but not all the time.  I figure if it's something that really weighs on your conscience, donate money to an organization that helps people out.  At least that way you know what you're giving is going to really help someone.

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By Garry Crystal on October 29, 2008 at 03:46 pm

It's got to the point where people (I know I am) are even cynical about giving to charities because you just dont know how much of your money is actually going to get through to the cause or go to the administration. Over here the problem has got so bad that you cannot usually walk 20 feet through the town centre without being accosted by someone. So it's hard to make a choice but usually if i'm out late at night and there's a homeless person still sitting in the street past midnight freezing their ass off i'll give them something, though it's not going to make much of a difference. Sorry bit off topic here.

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By baynurse on October 30, 2008 at 06:56 pm

Great article, I had the realization this week that I can have compassion for my enemies, because I found myself doing to another what was done to me by a person that hurt me very much. (an ex)  I realized my behavior and I was instantly able to have compassion and maybe forgiveness for that person in my past as well as for myself and my behavior.

thanks for writing.... please continue.

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By Morgana on November 01, 2008 at 03:17 pm

Thank you all you Good Guys for reading and commenting.  Compassion is what separates good guys from bad guys.

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By Lumiere on November 05, 2008 at 03:05 pm

And I thought you only liked bad boys.... ;)

I have been reading Marcus Aurelius lately, I like him. He is witty, charming, humorous and very, very dead.... but brilliant. " Whether a man is wealthy or poor, they are equal in that they eventually meet the same fate."  It applies to number 13... very difficult to find when people are so naturally self centered and stingy. Generosity in altruism is easy, but you rarely if ever, see the same emphasis of private generosity towards family and friends.

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By VeroniqueChevalier on March 04, 2009 at 03:51 am

This would apply to whomever on the Broo is leaving the masses of one star reviews on other people's articles to lower their ratings, so that one's own ratings will appear higher by comparison. Ethics? What ethics?

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By Morgana on May 11, 2009 at 02:04 pm
Veronique, agreed, the 195 1's I've now gotten are proof of what you wrote here.  Which is why I now write elsewhere.
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