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Yes Virginia, Vietnam Vets were spit on

Dr. Jerry Lembcke a professor at Holy Cross, published a book in 1998 entitled "The Spitting Image: Myth, Memory, and the Legacy of Vietnam" in which Lembcke asserts that Vietnam Veterans were never

Lembcke, a staunch anti-war activist, member of "Vietnam Veterans Against the War", and to this day, a leading critic of U.S. foreign policy has become the sole "academic" reference for the repudiation of the spitting myth. To say he is biased would be an understatement.

To the surprise of no one, the media and many current anti-war groups quickly accepted Lembcke's assertions in an attempt to rehabilitate an anti-war movement devoid of credibility. Unfortunately, to anyone who reads his book, Lembcke's work is flawed at every level and wouldn't be worthy of mention except that it is now the single source cited by anyone wishing to ignore historical fact and propagate Lembcke's position that Vietnam Vets were not spit on. This is exactly why the anti-war movement has no credibility with mainstream Americans: Many are against the war but few want to be lumped in with these wild eyed ex-hippies trying to convince the American people their servicemen committed war crimes and atrocities against the Vietnamese.

The facts are really very simple and undisputed. U.S. Servicemen in Vietnam were accused of committing war crimes and killing innocent men, women and children in Vietnam as early as 1964. This was ingrained in the pop culture of the time. Don't think so? Find a 1966 rendition of Arlo Guthrie's song Alice's Restaurant and listen to it. Pay special attention to the parts about burning woman and children. Lembcke's own organization, Vietnam Veterans Against the War conducted the "Winter Soldier" tribunals in which Vietnam Veterans confessed to war crimes. John Kerry testified to Congress that these war crimes were being committed and that military leaders at all levels knew about these things. "Baby Killer" was a common term in the 1960s and early 70s. Just pick up an old National Lampoon or copies of any of the underground newspapers of the time.

The 1960s were extremely violent times. Quick read of the AVAILABLE newspapers and you have stories of police officers and antiwar protesters fighting in the streets. And for the record, spitting by both men and woman is easily documented. A sampling? Antiwar demonstrators instructed to spit on LBJ's car. Bob Hope's car was spit on when it was stopped by antiwar protestors as he tried to attend the Army Ball in LA. The mayor of Oakland was spit on A news reporter reported that a police officer was spit on by an antiwar protestor at the Oakland Induction center during attempts by antiwar protestors to close the center down. Abbie Hoffman was charged with spitting on a police officer at the 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago. If you think spitting was disgusting, then you wouldn't want to hear the reports of police officers being hit with human excrement and urine. Perhaps Lembcke can be excused for not knowing any of this as it happened YEARS BEFORE Vietnam Veterans Against the War formed. There is even a story of two 12-year-old girls spitting on the King of Saudi Arabia! Probably not worth mentioning except Lembcke actually says in his book "Girls don't spit".

As part of his findings, Lembcke challenges the notion that servicemen would be in a civilian airport. This is just plain stupid. A person on their way to Vietnam would be coming from HOME. They would travel on commercial planes to the closest airport to their embarkation point which for many, was San Francisco. How many servicemen did this? Enough that there was a scheduled shuttle bus to Travis AFB from San Francisco International Airport during most of the Vietnam War. Going home was the same process in reverse. Hit the ground on the West Coast and head to the closest airport to catch a civilian flight home. It is estimated that thousands of servicemen went through the San Francisco Airport every day during the Vietnam Conflict.

And in the early 1970s, a person could literally walk right up to the gate in most airports. Were there demonstrators in the airport at SFO? Yes. Again, this is not disputed. San Francisco was literally the cradle of the antiwar movement. The number of antiwar activities that occurred in and around San Francisco is astounding: Oakland Army Induction center, Travis Air Force Base, The Oakland Naval Facilities, the Presidio, Haight-Ashbury, Berkeley, Stanford et al. And from all accounts, the events were violent and people were just plain pissed off. That demonstrators were in the Airport is not disputed. Evidently, when they arrived at the airport, the demonstrators became very placid and unemotional and immediately changed their tactics.

Another absurdity: Lembcke states (page 3 &“ 4): "two mutually exclusive sets of circumstances cannot coexist in the same time and place". In the case of Vietnam veterans and the anti-war movement, I assumed those two parties could not have been simultaneously hostile to one another and mutually supportive; anti-war activists could not have been spitting on veterans while at the same time befriending them in off-base coffee houses.

This is the worst kind of pseudo-science: easily debunked and devoid of credibility. It assumes that the anti-war movement was highly organized and that it's members shared a common goal and common techniques to achieve these goals. Nothing could be further from the truth. The anti-war movement was highly fragmented and geographically dispersed. San Francisco was far removed from the streets of New York City, Washington DC, Cambridge Massachusetts, or Ann Arbor Michigan. The University of California at Berkeley (UC Berkeley) was a hot bed for student dissent and anti-war activities five years before the Vietnam Veterans Against the War was even formed. To assume that these disjoint organizations operated cohesively with any kind of unified platform is ludicrous. None other than Dr. Hunter S Thompson, attending an antiwar demonstration in Washington DC observed that there were actually fist fights developing between various antiwar factions. That Lembcke would lump the entire antiwar movement into one group and make his grandiose leap of faith is absurd. Antiwar groups were setting off bombs in New York City and the Weatherman were robbing banks. Street riots and campus unrest was commonplace and all these groups had leaders that were not necessarily cooperating with other antiwar groups. Articles appeared in newspapers about escalating violence when the government did not respond to the antiwar movement's demands. To it's credit VVAW worked diligently to control violence at the events it sponsored, Not always with success. Again, this is all part of the historical record.

FACT: 3.3 million people served in the Armed forces during the Vietnam conflict. At its height, VVAW stated it had 30,000 members. These numbers are disputed and newspaper accounts place membership closer to 8,000 with a core of about 1,000 active members. Using the 30,000 claimed members would still mean less than one percent of Vietnam Veterans actually joined VVAW. Not exactly the kind of numbers that would allow an organization to claim it "represented the majority, or even a large segment of Vietnam Veterans". The truth: most Vietnam Vets came home, figured the war was a waste and were anti-war. The numbers speak for themselves. The vets refused to associate with the VVAW as the VVAW's attempt to incite mutiny and unrest in combat units could further endanger American Soldiers.

The saddest part of Lembcke's so-called science: He simply groups everyone who says they were spit on and collectively dismisses ALL THEIR FIRST HAND REPORTS as False Memories. It doesn't matter which side of this issue you are on, you have to have serious reservations about the accuracy of any work where the author simply ignores ALL the eye witness reports offered by the vets. This isn't science and it isn't the kind of reference proponents should be quoting when they say Vietnam Vets were not spit on.

Dr. Lembcke, heres a bit of science you obviously haven't heard of: Occam's Razor. Simply stated: all things considered, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Let's apply the razor to this situation. Servicemen during the Vietnam conflict were being categorized as war criminals. The Anti-war movement contained elements that were confrontational and violent. Given the large number of servicemen in and around airports during the Vietnam War and the accessibility of the airports to demonstrators, antiwar demonstrators could and did come in contact with servicemen at the airports. The airport demonstrations were commonplace and wouldn't be covered by the press.

If spit on, the serviceman could retaliate and risk punishment, report the incident, or ignore it. Reporting the incident takes time and no one, either going to or coming back from Vietnam would want to invest time in this sort of thing. So we are left with the first person accounts by the GIs that these things happened and which have been reported in books like Bob Greene's Coming Home. And it's safe bet, the antiwar heroes that did the spitting aren't going to come forward, isn't it?. No false memories, no bogus hypothesis and everything explained rather easily. Except it doesn't explain why you are so interested in heaping scorn on a bunch of people that have already suffered enough.



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By sanity check on July 19, 2007 at 02:27 pm
In re-reading, Bob Greene's book Is "Homecoming" and not "Coming Home". I should also re-iterate that VVAW did not and could not speak for the ENTIRE antiwar movement nor could it answer to the tactics others might use (regarding the paragraph on Lembcke's hypothesis about mutually exclusive events).
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By Arlo Guthrie on July 25, 2007 at 11:34 am
Anyone who has spent any time listening to the stories of soldiers returning from Vietnam knows that there were indeed a few idiots who spat and otherwise disrespected these men and women. More unfortunate was the killing of innocent men, women and children. Truth made the song work. Just last week I had the opportunity to sing it again, this time for the Vietnam Veterans of America meeting in Springfield, IL. They were all singing along. At least for those of us who were there, times have, thankfully, changed.
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By Annonymous on July 26, 2007 at 10:03 am
Read Lembcke's book: HE SAID NO VIETNAM VET WAS SPIT ON. FINI And BTW, the folks at Guthrie's site don't know who you are partner. It's amazing in this day and age when everyone has a web site that someone would be dumb enough to try and impersonate a famous person. T You're pathetic.
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By Arlo Guthrie on January 11, 2008 at 12:39 pm

Okay not on subject... to the above, Anonymous. I have been accused of a lot of things, but impersonating myself is not one of them. Write me at the website, I'll get back to you.

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By Joan Westin on August 04, 2010 at 05:24 pm

This story rocks! Thanks for again pointing out just how bad vets are treated overall.

How about this story?

Heck of A Way You Treat A Sick Veteran Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch

Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno, Nevada located Ioannis A. Lougaris VA Medical Center, why your no direct interaction with veterans?

VA's Mission

"To care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan." - Abraham Lincoln

What's wrong with this current Mission of the VA? Why where are the women in this current VA Mission?! The VA clearly has in its current mission statement only men so that explains why women vets keep getting shafted. That current mission of the VA is now plain wrong in its exclusion of woman in its him and his pronouns. To care for those who shall have borne the battle and for their widow and their orphan includes women.

VA Care for U.S. Military Female Veterans Still Lacking - TIME

All a veteran should have to do is one battle, and then someone else should carry his or her paid load from there. That’s childish and unrealistic I’m told. http://www.reno.va.gov/about/leadership.asp
Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center http://www.reno.va.gov/about/index.asp, I’m still waiting for a response and apology to my complaint about the Reno Veterans Medical Center police chief pulling a gun on me, that severely frightened me, refusing to see my VA id and forcing me to move my car from the patient parking since as he phrased it: “You’re not a veteran. This’ for our veterans. Our veterans are old alcoholic men. Now go park somewhere else.” That made me late for my Women’s Clinic appointment there with Zola Ferguson. Tell me, Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center, how is it the VA police chief does not know the medical center he works at has a Women’s Health Clinic or that there are women veterans?

Why does the director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center, you Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch CCCCCC, have, and strictly follow, a Really-Stupid-Policy of no direct interaction with veterans? Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch refuses to meet face-to-face with veterans. Why? How does that serve and honor me the veteran? Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch refuses to talk on the phone with a veteran. Why? How does that serve and honor me the veteran? Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch refuses to answer veteran’s letters. Why? How does that serve and honor me the veteran? Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch refuses to e-mail with a veteran. Why? How does that serve and honor me the veteran? Isn’t helping me the veteran your job Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center?

That all is major immature, un-American, unprofessional, unpatriotic, intolerant, arrogant, disrespectful, and foolishly stupid very bad choices. Why? How does that serve and honor me the veteran? As a veteran, I find Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch’s policy highly offensive to me as it is deliberate malicious interference with my civil rights. Not surprising considering Head-Up-His-Ass Dr Kirk as their leader and example, these un-American low-life attempts to stifle veteran’s and veteran’s family and friend’s civil rights occur with far too often miserable regularity throughout the Reno Veterans Medical Center. Well Reno Veterans Medical Center director, one Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, I guess here is where I’m gonna have to tell you why I want to meet with you since you’ve so proudly, thoroughly and disdainfully blocked all other communication channels to you. Isn’t helping me the veteran your job Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center?

1.WHERE’S THE FEMALE VET’S BED ATTIRE? While an unfortunate in-patient at the Reno Veterans Medical Center I was abused, humiliated, embarrassed by the staff when I refused the male pajamas they gave me. The staff had nothing else for me but to abuse, humiliate and embarrass me because I wanted female bed attire. Got that? The staff had nothing else for me but to abuse, humiliate and embarrass me because I wanted female bed attire. That’s sick! It’s okay and right that I wanted female attire. Men don’t compromise there, why should I? After that, Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, your staff treated me with suspicion and had me then pegged as trouble in all caps BITCH, all because I am a female who wanted something female just like a male wants something male. Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center, what part of I am a female veteran is it that you and your staff don’t get? You are immorally, unnaturally and illegally demanding that I conform to a male standard, and then if you’re not bad enough all ready, punishing me for not doing so. Heck of A Way To Treat A Sick Person which is what I am, and, I am there for you and your staff’s help. Sadly, instead of helping me, you hurt me. Where’s the customer service there sir? Where’s the patient care there sir? Where’s the honor to me the veteran there sir? And that is sexual discrimination and harassment at its absolute vilest sir as I am biologically and genetically hard-wired female. Where’s the common sense there sir? Where’s the compliance to law there sir? Isn’t helping me the veteran your job Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center?
2.WHY YOUR ATTACKS ON FEMALE EMOTIONS & FREE SPEECH? The attacks on female emotions, heck, all veteran’s emotions, by you and your staff at the Reno Veterans Medical Center, is despicable. Emotions are part of Free Speech. Our Free Speech is constitutionally guaranteed you moron. As a veteran, I took an oath to uphold the Constitution. Did you? And if you did, why aren’t you?! I don’t know anyone that naturally delivers speech in the low even dry words monotone you irrationally demand throughout. It’s depressing. IT’S DEPRESSING!! Is that really the atmosphere you believe people stay well in and get well in? Where’s the customer service there sir? Where’s the common sense there sir? As a naturally emotional female, I raise my voice. Especially when I’m frightened. Few have any sort of a comforting compassionate professional bedside manner at the Reno Veteran Medical Center. Probably because Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch has no bedside manner. I use gestures. I move around. I am animated. In other words, you moron, I am an alive female. I am sick, not dead. I describe to the best of my ability how I feel which is my job as The Patient. Your job as The HealthCare Provider is to listen very carefully to what I say and out of that make a correct diagnosis, then a proper treatment plan. How can you, or any of your staff, possibly be making any semblance of a proper diagnosis when you are constantly stifling the Free Speech of your patients, their families and their friends? You are immorally, unnaturally and illegally putting restrictions on my Free Speech. Heck of A Way To Treat A Sick Person which is what I am, and, I am there for you and your staff’s help. What part of Free Speech is it exactly that you aren’t getting Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center?

Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, in case you incorrectly think otherwise, I mean here the oil of conversation, the philosophic wine, the ale consumed when good people get together, puts a song into one’s heart and laughter on their lips and in the air, with warm glows of contentment, puts a youthful spring into one’s gait, magnifies joy, happiness and enables forgetting, if only for a little while. That’s why I am certainly for these comments. Would have been better in person with you, but you have that bizarre totally wrong rule about you and no veterans interaction.

This is the stand of this female veteran on that iss. She will not retreat from it. She will not compromise. Men don’t. Why should I? Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center, your staff has chronic cynicism and a lot of that is due to you. That’s deadly. World-weary is not what anyone ever wants to be. It is human nature to be social, to connect. Chronic cynics are lonely, alienated, destructive, and self-destructive more often then they aren’t. With chronic cynicism as one’s pov a fixation is on character assassination and not providing proper healthcare rather that on socialization, and defining, addressing and solving issues. Character assassination of a veteran and not providing proper healthcare to that veteran has some really sick and disturbing aspects to it though. Which is what members of your staff have done and continue to do to this veteran. Isn’t helping me the veteran your job Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center?

Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure, that to take rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy much nor suffer much, because they live in the gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat. Remember, in the United States, it is we, the people; which includes females, not we, the white male straight appearing Christian. Moreover, remember always that all of us biologically start out female.

3. WHY IS THE Veterans Administration STILL incredibly incorrectly treating a 2007 1099-S CORRECTED on a Short Sale Foreclosure as income TO THIS VETERAN? Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center, my Social Security Disability Direct Deposit has been reduced to my horror as it is the Veterans Administration that is intercepting my Social Security Disability Direct Deposit. Why? Why because the Veterans Administration is incredibly incorrectly treating a 2007 1099-S CORRECTED on a Short Sale Foreclosure as income. Something I wasn’t told about by the Veterans Administration. Mind you, I’m in the Reno VA Medical Center at minimum of once a week. Many times I have to go over to your Enrollment & Eligibility. There I always present my income tax returns. What is the purpose of Enrollment & Eligibility if not to assist me the veteran? So although I have brought in my income tax returns to Reno VA Medical Center Enrollment & Eligibility, the VA does not have that info. Why is that? How does that serve or even help me the veteran? Then Susan Boyd tells me that she always forwarded veterans information for her veterans and any VA Enrollment Coordinator or Patient Rep at my VA medical center can fax the info for me to her. Well, not so at the Reno Veterans Administration Medical Center. No siree. That was repeatedly made clear to me. Heck of A Way To Treat A Sick Person which is what I am, and, I am there for you and your staff’s help. Sadly, instead of helping me, you hurt me. Where’s the customer service there sir? Where’s the patient care there sir? Where’s the honor to me the veteran there sir? Isn’t helping me the veteran your job Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center?

In the meantime, the Reno Veterans Administration Medical Center is making this veteran’s life miserable and a hell as it is

a. INCORRECTLY handling my financial info when I bring it in,
b. INCORRECTLY sends my mail addressed to another which is NOT my name,
c. INCORRECTLY sends mail to a Mr. I am NOT male. I am a female vet.
d. INCORRECTLY treating a 2007 1099-S CORRECTED on a Short Sale Foreclosure as income to this veteran. This veteran does NOT have $125,000 in income and how the VA can possibly think that when the VA has had all every year’s income tax returns of this veteran and do this to this veteran is just plain terrible. Or is it just Daniel Ross 800-929-8837 x 5321?
e. INCORRECTLY charging this veteran thousands of dollars for medical services from the VA,
f. INCORRECTLY intercepting this veteran’s Social Security Disability Direct Deposit to pay the incorrectly charged VA medical fees this veteran should not be being charged,
g. Threatening this veteran in writing, which caused this veteran a lot of distress, with VA HEALTH CARE Fact Sheet 164-1 February 2008, “you may no longer be able to receive VA medical care, even if you agree to make co-pays. The Enrollment Coordinator at the VA medical center where your care is provided should be contacted to discuss special eligibilities.” “If you are unable to pay your bill due to financial hardship, you may contact the Revenue Office staff at the VA health care facility that provided your care to request a re-payment plan, compromise or waiver of debt.”

According the Department of Treasury July 14, 2010 notice about the VA garnishing my Social Security Disability, it clearly has on “If you believe your payment was reduced in error or if you have questions about this debt you must contact Reno VAMC 654 1000 Locust Street, Reno, NV 89520.

You can bet that with those mind-blowing dangers spelled out I did exactly what Susan Boyd suggested and Reno VAMC 654 1000 Locust Street, Reno, NV 89520. Yes siree. That I did. With a little help from several friends, this veteran then contacted the Revenue Office staff at the VA health care facility that provided my care as I am unable to pay my bill due to financial hardship and to request a re-payment plan, compromise or waiver of debt. That’s a big no can do from VAMC 654 1000 Locust Street, Reno, NV 89520. How does that serve or even help me the veteran Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch? Isn’t helping me the veteran your job Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center?

Per Susan Boyd 800-929-8387 x 5440 this veteran then contacted the Enrollment Coordinator at the VA health care facility, Reno, that provided my care, one Joan Buckner (?) 775/328-1441 according to Reno VA Patient Service Rep Paul Woodard 775-328-1228. “Not my job,” says VA employee Joan Buckner. What? How does that serve or even help me the veteran? This veteran is now seriously confused. “Not my job,” is what this veteran is told by VAMC 654 1000 Locust Street, Reno, NV 89520. Joan Buckner told this veteran it is not her job to discuss any special eligibilities for this veteran. Who’s job is it?! Does Joan Buckner not know about VA Health Care Fact Sheet 164-1 February 2008 and the Department of Treasury letter which says clearly it is Joan Buckner’s job? Or someone’s at VAMC 654 1000 Locust Street, Reno, NV 89520. Who might that someone be Dr Kirk? Dr Kirk, just exactly who at your center you are the director of there is the one to do their job and correct this nightmare someone there has created? Who is that person Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch? Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, please have them immediately correct this sick veteran’s files. Isn’t helping me the veteran your job Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center?

Because Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, it’s not, the Enrollment Coordinator at my VA medical center, which is your center, this Joan Buckner 775/328-1441. Joan Buckner 775/328-1441 is not faxing this veteran’s info for this veteran to Susan Boyd fax 404-828-5210 as Ms. Boyd thought one should for any veteran. How does that serve or even help me the veteran? This veteran is further confused and stress and annoyance has set in. Who might that someone be Dr Kirk? Dr Kirk, just exactly who at your center there is the one to do their job and correct this nightmare someone there has created? Who is that person Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch? Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, please have them immediately correct this sick veteran’s files. Isn’t helping me the veteran your job Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center?

Per Susan Boyd 800-929-8387 x 5440 this veteran then again contacted the VA Patient Service Rep at my Reno VA medical center, which you Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, are the director of. I contacted Paul Woodard 775-328-1228. Reno VA Patient Service Rep Paul Woodard is not faxing this veteran’s info for this veteran to Susan Boyd fax 404-828-5210 as Ms. Boyd thought one should for any veteran. Reno VA Patient Service Rep Paul Woodard hung up on this veteran. How does that serve or even help me the veteran? This veteran is further confused and stress and annoyance has set in. Who might that someone be Dr Kirk? Dr Kirk, just exactly who at your center there is the one to do their job and correct this nightmare someone there has created? Who is that person Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch? Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, please have them immediately correct this sick veteran’s files. Isn’t helping me the veteran your job Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center?

Then I discover the retaliation from someone on your staff Dr Kirk. Retaliation for my audacity in thinking the Reno VA medical center would actually help me as several VA and Department of Treasury documents say they will. No, silly me!!! No, the Reno VA medical center which Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch heads up instead coded me BITCH, and the next letter I got from the Department of Treasury about the VA garnishing my Social Security Disability was to let me know the amount being garnished was now double what it was before I went to the Reno VA medical center for help. Double!! How does that serve or even help me the veteran? This veteran is further confused and stress and annoyance has set in. Who might that someone be Dr Kirk? Dr Kirk, just exactly who at your center there is the one to do their job and correct this nightmare someone there has created? Who is that person at your center Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch? Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, please have them immediately correct this sick veteran’s files. Dr Kirk and the VA is making my life a nasty hell lately over what? Mistakes? Incompetence? Lazy? Malpractice? Ignorant? Arrogance? Retaliation?

4.Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center, clearly you suck at ADA, Americans With Disabilities, compliance. Sadly, Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch has no clue what reasonable accommodations are to a disabled veteran such as myself. Nor does Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center, want to know clue what reasonable accommodations are to a disabled veteran such as myself. That’s illegal and plain wrong behavior Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch and it of course carries through into the staff at the Reno Veterans Medical Center

5.And Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center, I’m still waiting for a response and apology to my complaint about the Reno Veterans Medical Center police chief pulling a gun on me, that severely frightened me, refusing to see my VA id and forcing me to move my car from the patient parking since as he phrased it “you’re not a veteran. This’ for our veterans. Our veterans are old alcoholic men. Now go park somewhere else.” That made me late for my Women’s Clinic appointment there with Zola Ferguson. Tell me, Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center, how is it the VA police chief does not know the medical center has a Women’s Health Clinic or that there are women veterans? Sadly, instead of helping me, you hurt me. Where’s the customer service there sir? Where’s the patient care there sir? Where’s the honor to me the veteran there sir? And that is sexual discrimination and harassment at more of its absolute vilest sir. Where’s the common sense there sir? Where’s the compliance to law there sir? Where’s the common decency in helping out a sick person? Where’s just doing the job you’re paid to do which is to help me the vet. Isn’t helping me the veteran your job Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center?

So, Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center, why your no direct interaction with veterans? Cause all this stuff is what I wanted to meet with you to have you help me with. Why is that a problem for you? Why wouldn’t you meet with me? Isn’t helping me the veteran your job Dr. Kirk W. Schlegelmilch, director of the Reno Veterans Medical Center?

Sincerely,
Female veteran who really need your help

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By student1968 on March 12, 2013 at 04:17 pm

As an anti-war demonstrator and female student on campus in 1968-1972, I recall sitting in front of the TV night after night watching for numbers to be called for our fellow male students to be drafted!! These men were our friends and family members who were also against the war and did nit want to go. I remember the type of protests on our campuses that included efforts to reach out and support our soldiers and candlelight memorials for those who had already died. I know first hand that we supported our GI's and did not support our GOVERNMENT!!! If I were to believe your rant I would have been spitting on the very people who had my upmost sympathy and respect, who either signed up or went to Canada to protest. It is so incongruous to me that you link protests of the government to protests of the soldiers who had no say in whether they fought or not. I think you are way off about the protestors anger toward soldiers and I feel strongly that I must defend at least the student protestors on my campus who NEVER spit on any returning vet. I am sorry that Nixon and the first Bush used soldiers as pawns to expand and grow support for their historically wrong wars, but I suspect you are a neocon who believes in all wars at any cost. No reality in your writing about spitting especially as you use examples of protestors spitting on people who represent the governmnet, LBJ and Bob Hope. Sorry but you get a big NO VOTE for your argument about protestors spitting on vets.

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By Ross1776 on February 19, 2014 at 04:33 pm

Sorry, I am a baby boomer and was alive during the Vietnam war. I was against the war, but no protestor and can tell you that this entire story of people spitting on the Vietnam Vets is urban legend, and I only started hearing about it within the past 15 years. Yes, they were called "baby killers" after the My Lai massacre (look it up) and also the fact that this was the first war where our servicemen had to face killing women and children who were armed by the Viet Cong. But the fact that this legend continues is just another rumor so that the military industrial complex can keep starting wars, and then silencing the public who object to these progressive offensive wars and their cost - in both blood and treasure. Whatever you believe, just start looking for any actual photographs of that occurring as none exist.

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