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Why are there more atheists than theists?

by melanie jean juneau (writer), Greenbush, Ontario, Canada, February 22, 2013

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God is hard to pin down

This is an interesting conversation, my first and perhaps last on Quora . It is an exercise in futility really but I found myself verbalizing a few points about faith that many don't understand.


Why are there more atheists than theists online?In any census I've seen atheists, agnosts, non-theists and non-deists are in a minority compared to say Catholics, Christians and Muslims. However in ANY online discussion I've seen or been involved in Atheists seem to massively outnumber and outvote theists! Could this be related to the correlation between intelligence and atheism?

Melanie Jean JuneauMelanie

A spiritual Christian understands that it is impossible to argue convincingly with an articulate atheist because their experience of the living God is not simply a rational relationship. Often a heart to heart encounter is sensed with the right-brain, intuition,deepest core self. As St. Paul says, faith is foolishness in the eyes of those people who are confined to rational logic, or what they can see with their eyes.

This is a load of BS

Melanie Jean Juneau Melanie Only if you have not been surprised by God. Do you really expect an encounter with the Living Eternal God to be a normal, explicable experience that can convince a non-believer? Just because YOU have not experienced anything spiritual, does not mean that it does not exist. Or are arrogant?

James Kelly so, are all the Christians who do argue online not spiritual in your eyes?

Melanie Jean Juneau Melanie Of course not- Some Christians are articulate and flexible enough to explain an intuitive, right brain experience in logical, left brain language. Not all of us can. Especially up against an atheistic, educated philosopher . He can talk rings around most of us and isdetermined to prove that he is right. Self-righteous Christians are the very same.

Melanie Jean JuneauMelanie Jean Juneau I was replying to the question of WHY Christians are reluctant to engage in these kinds of debates and why there are fewer of them on line. This is are explaining the existence of the Spirit using a foreign language, describing a foreign experience, using a foreign level of knowledge.Spiritual Theists ( as opposed to simply rule following religious people)are living on different lplane than atheists.

That should be a question comment then.

Melanie Jean JuneauMelanie Jean Junea NO... it answers the question of WHY theists don't argue on line.

James KellyYou might want to make this connection clearer in your answer then.

Ah so are you trying to say that the reason it seems like there are more Atheists is that Theist don't argue online? For the reasons cited in your answer.

Melanie Jean JuneauMelanie Jean Juneau

Most Christians cannot translate their religious lingo into psychological, secular terms and so become frustrated. It is like a Martian trying to relate to an earthling. Some Christians are quite good at debating- C.S. Lewis was a brilliant apologist. Some bright intellectuals set out to logically prove that there was no such thing as God, only to encounter Him. Thomas Merton, a Trappist Monk was such a man. He said that God would rather deal with a honest, searching atheist who stuck his neck out in discussions etc. than a swishy-washy agnostic who simply was intellectually lazy or didn't care. It is like thumbing your nose at God and daring Him to prove himself. Such an atheist is a sitting duck for a God encounter.

Ian Withrow I think that's a yes. I notice you don't seem to respond to questions with a clear position. Such as mine or the OP. I'm curious about the reason behind that?

Melanie Jean JuneauMelanie Jean Juneau

Nothing is absolute, the closer I get to God, the less I know. Arrogance gives way to humility. I dislike trying to prove myself right because I tend to dismiss or diminish my "opponent". I love this quote from the Canadian Jean Vanier, founder of L'Arche- I can be right. I can be dead right and bring death to everyone around me."

So in the end no one changed their minds or hearts but the questions triggered answers that I had never verbalized before.

What do you think about my answers

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My husband and I raised 9 children on a hobby farm and discovered fulfilment and joy.The very existence of a joyful mother of nine children seems to confound people. My writing is humourous and heart warming/ thoughtful and thought provoking with a strong current of spirituality running through it.
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By HomeRearedChef on February 22, 2013 at 05:50 pm

I think that a lot of Christians today are afraid to openly speak their beliefs. More and more of us are either compromising or holding silence. There might be less atheists than theists, but who really knows it?

To answer your question above: I like the answers you gave, very well done, Melanie. And today I have learned a new word, "theist." Thank you! :)

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By melanie jean juneau on February 22, 2013 at 05:53 pm

interesting point on my blog-

Opinionated ManFebruary 22, 2013(Edit)

Actually, the reason is more likely that Atheists have taken the time to “consider” God and are thus possibly more inclined to research and write about it. Many Christians are simply Christians because they were born into it or it is trendy. They are not always the most literate people, nor do they engage in any meaningful research aside from their bible.

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By melanie jean juneau on February 22, 2013 at 05:55 pm

You are right- the Christians who try to love in humiity often do not want to argue, BUT the bombastic, loud, often narrow-minded Christians give us a bad image

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By HomeRearedChef on February 22, 2013 at 07:21 pm

I cannot argue with you there, Melanie: the "loud, often narrow-minded Christians give us a bad image" and that is very, very sad.

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By Uttam Gill on February 23, 2013 at 02:30 am

God is there in what way and in which form...One needs to use the dimension of understanding to know the presence of one can feel he/she can interact...There are many questions which can be answered if some empower himself/herself with the dimensions which many may not have or not being oriented to use that...

It is not about atheist or theist...They don’t hold any legitimate arguments to convince anybody in the debate...Knowing a God through debate perhaps to me is fundamentally flawed.

Having said this I submit to presence of God in whatever way he exist...We need God’s blessing so that we all remain safe.

But what baffles me the most is that in the name of God maximum atrocities had been committed on humankind...The mindless killings by one believer of the religion over others is certainly very disturbing...

We the human beings need God to coexist peacefully and surely God too want that....

God exist in our Hope....

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By melanie jean juneau on February 23, 2013 at 02:40 am

I can relate to what you are saying-

debate never touches any one's heart but

if the words are spoken to me in the spirit an in love, they have the power to bring healing, and even usher in the presence of God

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By Shane Joseph on February 23, 2013 at 11:17 am

I rated this article a 5 because of its inconclusiveness. I have never seen anyone win an argument over religion. Your analogy of the Martian and the Earthling sums it succintly. I have found that non-believers find stories that bring out a spiritual message more palatable, than a straightforward prescriptive approach. Even Jesus used parables to convert the masses. That's why I became a story writer instead of a proselytizer. You may want to try it.

I enjoyed the debate in this article.


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By melanie jean juneau on February 23, 2013 at 12:36 pm

Woe- an honour from a writer such as yourself. Shane- I imagine writing in a C.S.Lewis style. Actually my children, family stories are subtle

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By melanie jean juneau on February 23, 2013 at 12:38 pm

ps Shane- I was labelled a proselytizer- I am glad it is a bit more tolerant than that

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