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Right to Health? Well Daaah!

by melanie jean juneau (writer), Greenbush, Ontario, Canada, February 08, 2013

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Freedom and liberty?

Is access to medical care something that governments should provide, or is it better left to the private sector?

America sooo...let me get this straight. The most powerful country in the world, which boasts about the glorious life of the free and the brave is arguing whether it will care for its sick and dying citizens?? The Statue of Liberty, is it truly a sign of hope for your citizens or an ironic joke on the poor who live under its shadow?

How ridiculous is this whole debate. My puny country, Canada manages to offer heath care. We are not socialist in fact, at the moment it is the Conservative Right in power.
What irks me the most about Americans is that the self-righteous, religious right and big business are all in a huff about the threat of socialism to their precious independence. They are arguing political theory when millions of their poor die because they cannot afford proper health care.Caring for the least of our brothers is socialism? Sounds like Christianity to me. As far as the rich are concerned, they are most strident in their attack against health care because their tax loop holes would disappear and they would actually have to pay their fair share of taxes.

The conservatives will buck anything Obama suggests, even if their actions cause suffering It seems that their sole goal is to be seen as right.


Cut it out. How about some unity in this time of economical crisis, putting American citizens welfare above their own personal agendas. As Jean Vanier, Canadian founder of L'Arche said,

"I can be right. I can be dead right and bring death to all those around me."

America, you are facing an internal war. Time for the two political parties to cooperate for a few years and then play your power games for another whole year before the next election. Canadians play for 6 weeks before an election, surely a year is enough time for acting and posturing.



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31 comments on Right to Health? Well Daaah!

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By dchaitanya on February 08, 2013 at 09:08 am

I think that people who are not in power are able to think properly on policy issues than those who are in power.

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By melanie jean juneau on February 08, 2013 at 09:13 am

I did not think about that but you are right and I would add that non Amaericans can also see more clearlyt

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By Katrina Lowrey on February 08, 2013 at 11:27 am

Things are pretty messed-up here in the magic land of the free and the brave. I suspect the drama in Washington is just a smoke screen for the real diabolical behind the scenes power and money grabs made by people we don't even know about.

If anything is going to change in American it will be when people wake-up and take charge of their own lives and stop buying into the lie the system will take care of them. That thier individual daily choices can move thier world in to a cleaner, healthier and more fair society.

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By melanie jean juneau on February 08, 2013 at 11:49 am

Interesting points- I agree about the smoke screen and money, power grabs BUT there always will be people, from no fault of their own) fall and they still need health care

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By Randy Mitchell on February 08, 2013 at 11:53 am

If you are poor, elderly, or even an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT you can walk into any public hospital and be treated in America. We have programs here called, Medicaid and Medicare which provide for the elderly. The poor, and the immigrants are not refused treatment, period. I say this because I've worked in the medical field, as has my family, as have many of my friends. Letting millions die because of their access to medical treatment is simply false.

America was founded on freedom, and the Capitalistic system of government, NOT Socialism which is what our current President wants. Socialism does nothing but allow Government to encroach on wealth and personal freedoms. It makes people dependent on a welfare state, therefore destroying wealth. It causes unemployment to skyrocket. It goes against everything our country stands for, and our founding fathers are literally spinning in their graves right now watching what our current President wants.

Obamacare isn't about insuring the uninsured at all. It's about a Governmental power grab of one of the largest systems we have. It's an attempt to control and regulate a huge area of wealth that Obama wants. It's about forcing the population to rely on Government, therefore moving it closer to Socialism.

The rich, the business owners, the entrepreneurs pay the overwhelming percentage of taxes here. When their taxes are low, they can use that money to hire, to innovate, to expand industry. When they're forced to pay more, it does nothing to help our economy, and that's been proven time again.

Canada can have a different system of health care because of its small population. It simply doesn't compare to America at all. And people like me will never, "Cut It Out" because there's a huge war going on now: it's wealth redistribution and seizure versus wealth creation; therefore economic expansion and power.

People from other countries seem to have an easy time criticizing America. But, America became the leader of the free world using a government model which works: Freedom, small government, and the ability to create wealth if one has the desire.

Our Statue of Liberty isn't a "joke" to anyone. It stands for a beacon of light, hope, and freedom for anyone entering our shores. It's a land which many literally risks their lives to be a part of. That is, until destructive forces and leaders have their way.

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By melanie jean juneau on February 08, 2013 at 12:26 pm

You make a lot of sense and expose some of my emotional ranting as excessive.Point understood with my apologies.

BUT- I do know that medicaid does not give the poor access to the same treatment as the rich. Period. To me it is about standing up for the TRULY poor who get second class care. that fact is undeniable. they may not die on a street corner but even insurance companies refuse to pay for MANY treatments leaving the cash poor with no recourse to treatment. that IS a fact.

But from my viewpoint it seems that much of the debate is simply posturing, raising up one side to appear "right: and to villianize the opposing party. I shake my head at the billions spent on propaganda, commercials that are not intellectually credible and appeal to people's paranoia and fears. it SEEMS to be more about "an ideological struggle. So the real needs of real people count less than who can spout the most persuasive political and/or economic claptrap|"

You confirm this viewpoint with your disccusion.

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By riginal on February 08, 2013 at 01:02 pm

Randy,being in the medical field yourself did/have you seen a marked change in the American mental health system? I ask because I was watching a program whereupon a pollie stated that Reagan 'dismantled' the system, or it was alluded that a large portion was closed because of his influence? One of our past state governments closed a huge range of mental health places to the detriment of the needy. It had a catastrophic effect. Virtually placing patients back with their parents or on the street.One of the instigators now encourages people to ring a stop-gap 'mental health' line.Our hospitals are imploding under our Medicare system ie: bed closures, delayed operations etc. Are our two countries facsimiles in mental/hospital health approach? Whom in your opinion- past President-has done the most for the American health system? I know your views on the present. What's the answer? If any?

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By melanie jean juneau on February 08, 2013 at 01:13 pm

RANDY: I quote a doctor on BlogCatalog:

"There is no perfect health care system, but as someone who works in the American system, I think ours could use some tweaking. We're moving in the right direction, but progress is always slow. Personally, I'd like to see a single payor system like Canada's, but I don't know that that will happen duriing my lifetime. How would big pharma and insurance CEOs make their millions of dollars if we did that? The very idea...! The boogeymen have gotten the American public so terrified of "socialized" medicine that we actually seem to be moving backward in some ways.

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By melanie jean juneau on February 08, 2013 at 01:51 pm

Lily says: "I get a little worried sometimes when I hear how the general American public perceives some things, though there may be accessible evidence to the contrary "

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By melanie jean juneau on February 08, 2013 at 02:05 pm

To RANDY from Lily

Oh my god, that guy has his head in another universe. Canada’s health care system has nothing to do with our size, it is a legacy of British colonialism! And I’m going over Obamacare in class – even if you call all of Western Europe and Canada socialist (which they aren’t!), Obamacare wouldn’t even be close to those systems!

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By Randy Mitchell on February 08, 2013 at 02:39 pm

I understand the opinions made here.

I feel as though things could be done in the current system to make it better. Two which come to mind are tort reform, and implementing common-sense competition among the insurers. Sure, the insurance and pharma companies are in business to make money, medicine isn't free. But, they are also the ones taking the risks and investing billions in research and development. Do you have any idea how much time and expense goes into creating just one new drug? A lot. To get their costs under control by limiting their liability would help enormously.

The Dr. on Blog Catalog, I'd love to meet him, because I don't know of any Dr. (and I know a lot of them) who believe the government should be allowed in the operating room. They fully hate the idea of government-controlled medicine, and no, it's not all about money either. Simply put, whenever the government tries controlling anything, it becomes hopelessly overrun with regulations, bureacratic red tape, and lousy quality. Our post office, and DMV's are just two examples. Realistically, there's nothing the government does that the private sector can't do better.

Truthfully, there isn't an easy answer. And to be even more blunt, nothing is ever free, including health care. But, letting the government control our health is a recipe for disaster. And you do know that people from all over the world, including Canada, come here for better, quality treatment.

Riginal, you mentioned mental health care under Medicare. Isn't Medicare a govermnment-run system? Well, there you go. Which President has helped the most? Any which have fought for limited government and wealth creation. If more were helped to create personal wealth we wouldn't be having this discussion. And that means less government. Obama, he wants everyone to be dependent on government, period. To be subpar, have less, and live under his control.

MO9, you live in Canada and that's great. Obviously the health care system you have works for you there. But, America and Canada are entirely different. Personally, I'd love for everyone to have a new Cadillac in their driveway and steak for dinner everynight, unfortunately, someone has to pay for that. And ganging up on the rich isn't the answer.

I am a business owner, and I take risks everyday to create a good quality of life for myself. I also buy my own health care insurance-a personal policy I took out years ago. It isn't cheap, and the premiums go up every year (a sharp contrast to what Obama promised wouldn't happen after Obamacare passed, LOL) and my gut tightens when I open the bill every month. But, I'd much rather call the shots on who, and where I'm treated, versus allowing some bureacrat to show me the way.

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By riginal on February 08, 2013 at 04:11 pm

Are you saying that having the ability to call "the shots" on where you're treated via a personal policy gets you any better treatment? Or in fact a better surgeon perhaps? That's assuming you're still mentally and physically able to direct the doctors and nurses that are under your guidance as to how you want to be operated on? I've had a major problem for 45 years and still worked my guts out and paid my taxes. Took out private insurance some years back, told them I was diabetic...but fit as. The overweight salesman said "no worries". Rang receptionist some 5 years later mentioned 'in passing' my condition."No worries"Got a phone call from head CEO one hour later...cancelled my policy. Incidently, the original salesman cancelled his policy to enable the money to be ploughed into a block of flats he stood to make a lot of money on. I rang just to have a chat after I received my small cheque from the insurance company. He was a nice guy. Receptionist said "Paul got stressed out over the flats construction dropped dead." Had no life insurance either. Mate in telecommunications berated me for spending money on my kids via payout. Told me he had not spent one dollar. "My money's not going anywhere." A mate rang me 6 months later. The guy's money was still intact. He died of cancer. My last gutless boss sacked me at the age of 67 (pulling on 6 ton steel reels working my guts out). "You're an amazing worker Ralph...you've had a few hypos but..." I resigned on the spot and told him what I thought of him. He got throat cancer and just had half his stomach removed...can't lift a shovel. Do you know that guy isn't thankful he survived. His attitude is WORSE. God must have something real bad lined up for me? What's all this got to do with America's health?...nothing really. I wish you good health Randy and may you be so for many years to come. My father used to say..."Got enough to eat?" "Yeah dad." "Well stop bitching and let God look after the rest." May the force be with you...may your business prosper. But then a lot of things are in the lap of the God's aren't they?

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By melanie jean juneau on February 08, 2013 at 04:37 pm

Well I have to love you riginal because you "hit the nail on the head". A person's idealogy can change radically when he is no longer at the top, financially, emotionally or physically;

The States is the ONLY developed nation without a good, universal health care system and there is no excuse- All this talk of profits, freedom and hardwork and stirring up fear of socialism is ludicrous, simply mixing up the real issue. Health care is basic and above politicalwrangling .

RANDY,- please. good health care is NOY the same as eating steak and owning a cadilac- for shame.

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By Randy Mitchell on February 08, 2013 at 05:13 pm

I was merely trying to say, though I obviously didn't do a very good job, that nothing is free. Health care is a right that every individual should have, but in the world we live in, someone has to pay for it.

I wish you both good health and prosperity.

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By melanie jean juneau on February 08, 2013 at 05:18 pm

oops-I just slandered the messenger again. I like your other writing, i like you ...just not your politics

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By Randy Mitchell on February 08, 2013 at 05:26 pm

Ditto! Take care.

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By Barbara MacDonald on February 08, 2013 at 05:27 pm

I hate politics and how it divides us as human beings...I am grateful I live in Canada and have medical coverage...even though we too have our own issues with it.

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By melanie jean juneau on February 08, 2013 at 05:29 pm

I get too emtional

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By Barbara MacDonald on February 08, 2013 at 05:35 pm

I understand Melanie...is why I do not get involved in it...it becomes too heated and emotional at times, and do not like that part...I just rather work at making changes on a one to one level...but I still do vote in the elections in the U.S.A. ... by proxy.

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By melanie jean juneau on February 08, 2013 at 05:38 pm

:)

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By riginal on February 08, 2013 at 06:42 pm

Randy there is something for free that Canada and America have in abundance.Freedom of speech. And if I can't stir up enough hatred to have everyone at each other's throats then I believe I'm not doing the job God put me on earth for.I have a wonderful idea. Let's all saw a finger off and head to the hospital and health care system of our choice.The first one to leave casualty wins. No cheating...it must be your own genuine pinkie...but not the middle one you are waving at me at the moment! My missus has just got the steak knife out..."you silly woman not my neck!... aggghhhh!".......(intensive care of my choice two years later) fully recovered. "Don lut Pooowo tucs go ta ya hud us wu are humad buns. Wun mu thrut hulls up a butt umm gunna join a pwappa pppp wivate huff healf scum...scheme! huwwo Wandy, Bwarb, un Mo...mo...of...nun...nine! Dud I wun?"

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By melanie jean juneau on February 08, 2013 at 07:08 pm

riginal- you win, hands down, even with all fingers intact

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By Scottar on February 18, 2013 at 03:42 pm

Right to Health, that's a relative question! Do we have the right to the healthcare that wealthy or perceived important people like the presidents get? That would be like saying everybody has a right to a 3,000 square foot home with a 2 car garage with a swim pool and yada yada.Or does everybody have the right to some kind of adequate housing like an efficiency one room apartment with a enclosed bathroom?Although the government claims it's for aprogressive standard of living, often it's mandates and regulations achieve just the opposite. It can't effectively regulate fairness, effecency or quality, that's up to the individual choice. The founders of the US wisely put together a Constitution with a Bill of Rights that basically says that everybody has equal opportunity but not because we are all equal. You just can't mandate equality in everything as a persons quality of living must be worked for and achieved, not doled out by a authoritarian government as what sits on the bureaucratic throne is the same as your own.Mr. Mitchell gives some excellent reasons why. The problem of today is that things have gotten so technologically complex it's hard for people to grasp the situation. so they tend to hand over their personal freedom of choice to the government rather then make the hard choices themselves falsely thinking big encompassing government is the best for their welfare. That like allowing a school to make career choices for you.

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By Scottar on February 18, 2013 at 03:45 pm

I'd like to know why my paragah formating just get squished into all one paragraph, could it be my firefox browser?

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By melanie jean juneau on February 18, 2013 at 03:53 pm

You bring up some good points. I would like to quote a doctor on BlogCatalog

  • helenafortissima The biggest problems I see with our current system are 1) insurance companies, not doctors, dictating medical plans of care, 2) its lack of emphasis on preventive care, which produces damage control docs, equipment manufacturers, and pharmaceutical corporations who are incentivized to profit from disease, as well as patients who aren't involved in improving or maintaining their own health because "there's a pill for that," 3) its highly fragmented, haphazard system of communicating information, e.g. providers have no integrated or centralized means of retrieving data on their patients, which is especially problematic since many patients don't know what medications they're taking, why they had a pacemaker put in, etc., 4) too many expensive, unnecessary middlemen in insurance and hospital administrations, and 5) the unfortunate practice of defensive medicine, necessitated by a litigious society that, ironically, doesn't demonstrate much active interest or personal accountability for its physical well-being.10 days ago · Unlike · Flag

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    By TonyBerkman on February 18, 2013 at 06:25 pm

    Scottar Im not sure why it did that though will find out for you.

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    By Randy Mitchell on February 18, 2013 at 11:13 pm

    Scottar, excellent and true comments. People only look at socialized medicine as something which is free. They never consider the diminished quality of care they receive when big brother controls things. Once Obamacare is fully implemented, people will have a huge wakeup call proving what a mistake it is. I'll truly never understand how anyone can argue for a government takeover of anything which the private sector can do much better.

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    By Scottar on February 20, 2013 at 02:07 am

    Mother of 9

    Much of the problem is that the government has gotten in the way with all it's over the top regulating. The physicians and hospitals do over testing due to the draconian gov oversight, especially on medicare. In addition the government is reluctant to institute tort reform that leads to frivolous law suits due to pressure from legal lobbies. The government does not allow interstate competition between insurance companies due to their lobbies. Then their the liberal passed Obamacare that is destroying the affordability and quality of health care. The US healthcare is falling to the status of the socialist instituted healthcare plan.

    It's the myth of one plan fits all of single payer and that those who have money should share it with others by government mandated programs though excessive taxation. It leads to lower quality of healthcare as those who are subsidised tend to neglect personal responsibility. To correct that the government would have to mandate and run everything in a nanny state socialized government system if not a communist state.

    There's a reason the US held the lead as the most technological country with the highest standard of living but the US is losing that due to the influence of large financial corps through government cronyism and embedded socialist and communist apparatchiks. Out youth has been brainwashed. Canada is doing fine now as it's government doesn't hold back on developing it's resources like our present government is doing so Canada presently has the GPA to support a certain level of quality of it's healthcare if you don't mind the long waits. But I don't admire such a healthcare system.

    Another problem with the US system is companies that offer it as a added compensation, that's where the systems gets into trouble as companies can go bust or promise too much for long term sustainability. Health insurance should be a persons responsibility just like auto insurance then that too would help to improve quality and costs.

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    By John Nelson on February 22, 2013 at 05:59 pm

    The reason that the U.S. is the only industrialized nation without a national healthcare system is because we spend that money on militarism and not healthcare. We police the world. Our navy keeps goods flowing to all countries (that we want to get goods....sorry Cuba). Of all the military spending worldwide we spend 41% of it.

    Our country's political system is incredibly corrupt and the military industrial complex lobbies for tax payer dollars. We keep the trading lanes open for the entire globe. We should stop this!!! Let Canadian ships protects sea lanes, as well as Japan, Europe, etc.... Instead we do it. The price we pay? We have a second rate healthcare delivery system that leaves many out. But we have a premier military for global policing.

    When our country was founded it was not founded as a Capitalist nation. In fact, the word capitalism exists no where in our founding documents. The capitalists control the government that is why we have such inequality. They also control a psuedo-history that many believe....Such as America was founded as a Freebooter Capitalist nation.

    Why we have no socialized medicine in the U.S.? The capitalist elite don't want it. They want an empire. The average American doesn't want their jobs to go overseas where the capitalist can line their pockets with great wealth and basque in Mammonic harmony while the laborer in the U.S. gets screwed. This happens because the corrupt capitalist government allows it.

    The average American would rather have universal health coverage than be the global cop, but the capitalist elite spin it as evil Stalinist socialism and sadly many believe it (while the Canadians, Scandanavians and Europeans shake their head and grin)

    The next to go will be Social Scurity, because the elite don't want that either.

    Funny thing about America: we constantly talk about God but worship Mammon and kneel at the altar of the demonic "bottom-line." We spend our money on weapons and not healthcare and many believe this is what Jesus the Nazarene teacher has ordained. Pathetic!

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    By melanie jean juneau on February 22, 2013 at 06:05 pm

    I love your insights and knowledge, Your words resonates within me because I know the truth when I hear it.

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    By Scottar on February 23, 2013 at 05:25 pm

    John Nelson

    "The reason that the U.S. is the only industrialized nation without a national healthcare system is because we spend that money on militarism and not healthcare. We police the world."Yes, that is basically true, but it's also the reason the Eurosocialist countries are competitive with their socialist programs, they don't carry an equal load in helping to keep world trade free and peaceful. But then the US does tend to jump the shark on international affairs.But overall it's the lack of competition among health insurers due to interstate trade restriction. Congress need to remove those barriers. Also Medicare and Medicaid red-tape just exasperate the situation, they need to be turned over to the states via block grants.But the military budget is just 19%. Social Security is 22% and growing. Medicaid and Medicare is 23% and growing. Interest is 6%. Discretionary is 17% and growing. There is much largess across the board and lack of fiscal responsibility, but the entitlement programs are over the top:http://www.aei-ideas.org/2012/12/americas-entitlement-epidemic-in-just-1-charts/http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/35-statistics-about-the-working-poor-in-america-that-will-blow-your-mindClearly the aftermath of the great society programs just aren't panning out."When our country was founded it was not founded as a Capitalist nation."Capitalism is as old as banking. I guess you mean the stock market."The capitalist elite don't want it."Although we have some capital elites that have too much cronyism with the government, especially the big financials, compared to many other countries the US is the leader in standard of living and technology. But government- nanystate- socialism is destroying that. "The average American would rather have universal health coverage than be the global cop"Where are you getting that from? They sure don't like Obamacare, even the labor unions . What universal system are you referring to? If they don't like Obamacare then they wouldn't like government universal healthcare, it's like universal housing or employment. Ever served in the military, that's as close as it gets. And what if a country decides to control an international shipping lane for it's own interests, what then? The UN, the poster organization for the NWO for the elites? LMAOAROTF!"We spend our money on weapons and not healthcare"23% percent on Medicare and Medicaid plus what many hospitals can spend on medical innovation, but Obamacare is destroying inovation too. As Jefferson put it, should we accept governmint comfort as a trade-off for personal liberties and freedoms to some overbearing bureaucracy? Think about it.

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