Doreen Virtue: Angel Therapy or a FRAUD's mental illness????
There are a lot of dangerous products in the market right now and one very deceptive writer is Doreen Virtue whose Ph.D. is from a degree mill in California. Virtue's claim to fame is that she is teaching the world how to work with the angelic realm. Her trademark product is called Angel Therapy which is about working with one's angels to manifest what they want. Wow ... in the Holy Bible whenever someone was met with an angel their reaction was one of fear. Angels are messengers and they reveal themselves to people to tell them to do God's bidding. Virtue has revised this ancient role by telling people that the angels are our errand boys just like the Greek pagan myth of Mercury and his winged feet!
Now everyone is entitled to their beliefs. The Crusades were a dark example in Christianity when faith went out of hand and people killed in the name of God. There have been evil Popes in history. The Vatican stood by during WW2 and did not protect the Jews from the Nazis ... even though Jesus was a Jew! However, one must always consider the source. It is not uncommon for employers to do a background check on potential workers. Nor is it foolish to interview a surgeon before deciding on having them operate on you. So ... let's consider the source of all these seemingly beautiful angel messages.
Doreen Virtue is on her fourth marriage to a man named Steven Farmer, who is a plastic shaman at best and promoting the pagan practice of animal spirit worship. Her Ph.D. is from an unaccredited program at Clarkson University in Southern California and she charges $2500 to train someone to become a medium. Doreen claimed to have worked at a psychiatric hospital that is now closed and when people call to verify her employment the response is vague at best. If I were an investor this would spell penny stock to me. Do a google search on this at skepdic.com and you'll see what lengths people have gone to confirm her story.
Nonetheless, I challenge readers to return to the Holy Bible for guidance on this and any other teacher. If Judeo-Christian is not your thing then look at pure form teachings of Hinduism and Buddhism and they too will warn you about false teachers. First, the Christian bible says that even the Devil himself and his demons disguise themselves as angels of light. Their lure and promise is that you TOO could be like God. Of course, having been a high ranking angel before his fall, the dark side leader himself knows the bible inside out to twist you into believing its OK to play with sorcery. Buyer beware in this age of spiritual commercialization. Even a Buddhist perspective would agree that attachment to things will cause misery. Virtue telling people that angels are their personal servants is playing into attachment which is an ultimate cause of suffering.
Every major religion demands sublimation to God. Every major religion in its pure form has rules. The Old and New Testament forbid idolatry and many of these New Age guru are akin to the gold lamb that God destroyed when the Israelites forgot that he delivered them out of bondage in Egypt. By following without discernment New Age writers with belief systems contrary to Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism ... you are walking back into bondage whether you agree or not. Don't confuse hip Hindu Buddhist practices with New Age ... the true version of these ancient religions are about transcendance of the selfishness of ego and merging with Divine. Not barking orders at spirit guides who may be more malevolent than benevolent!
Finally, God is NOT your errand boy and neither are the Archangels, angels, seraphim, etc. A true spiritual teacher will reinforce that a soul is on Earth to serve God and the angels has said in the bible not to worship them instead of God but to call on them to protect from dark forces. Angels are a Jewish/Christian concept so this is why I bring up the bible. And in the bible, there are only 7 Archangels not the 109 made-up names that Doreen Virtue invented. If she invented her Ph.D. and professional background, she probably invented these other spiritual beings or perhaps they are running her. Nonetheless.... as God is my witness ... I suspect that these New Age books are potentially violations of the First Commandment which Virtue's Christian-friendly seeming theology should know about. If you believe her myth then consider this one - In the end, no matter what magic the Egyptian Sorcerers pulled on Moses, it was God's will that was done .... Pharaoh’s earthly power was no match and the Israelites were set free. The story of Exodus is that the best cure is prevention of spiritual bondage ... trust wholly in God and him alone. Don't go broke with Doreen and her angel therapy products.

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I would also like to send you All Love and Light on this awesome life journey we are on. Dreams can come true. Thank you Angels of Dawn. Also there are so many wonderful letters written here. Down South - you nailed some amazing points. But Ishtarcelt some of your words were very scarey. Blanche22 how aweful and yet what you say is true.........and priests have gotten away with this type of behaviour for many many years. And that is sad. But just as there are good and evil in everything............there are many wonderful priests and ministers and whatever else they are called in all the Religions. Religion has been the root to a lot of what has happened in the world - review the words of Down South.
Be well, be happy, do some good deeds because you WANT to and start loving yourselves. We will all feel a lot better. A stray wild cat, nearly frozen to death, came to my house on a - 20 below 0 degrees night just before Christmas. He now lives underneath the front Porch of my house which has windows.
I get the most wonderful feeling when I look in at him because although he is still not tame - the look of Love on his little face that he gives me everytime - honestly, no matter how rotten everything is and how broke we are - his little face perks me up and makes me remember what life is about. One tiny little boy cat who was a frozen ball of snow.......and shows me his gratitude with his eyes. :)
Hope you all are blessed this New Year........with Love, Angel 1111
hey yo! Interesting article.. very interesting....
But you're right... don't bash someone for the sake of it; it's better to love than be loved. S.I.M.P.L.E as that. Not easy to practice though.....
I can bash at times myself. Must not do it for the New Year.
Let's try spreading Love. That's a fairly untried concept.
All the best,
M
lets be clear, spreading love is the most useful thing you can do, however for me love comes in many forms. i have more appreciation for love that asks tough questions and points out my blind spot than so called love that feels it necessary to be positive no matter what. Sometimes lots of harm can result from the best of intentions...Einstein and the atom bomb being a famous example..
Truth can set you free but first it might be pretty painful, If doreen Virtue is milking vulnerable people she will pay a price for that, even if on a concious level it's all sweetness and light.
have to agree babe.. have to agree.....
Replying to angel1111 ; how were some of my words scarey?
HI Ishtarcelt. Your comment was very deep and you obviously have insite and have experienced things because you are allowed to and it seems scarey. For example, most people could never understand what a witch would go through. You analize this amazingly. I wonder what Savattra would have to say about what you said?
You must be a very interesting person. To have the knowledge that you have of this subject I guess is a better way of putting it...........that is scarey to me. I can't imagine what would happen to the world if we could all see like you. Thus the lack of knowledge seems better, however, is it or not?
Anyway, very good read. Thank you,
Angel1111
To the writer aka SAVATTRA real name-
Katherine Alexandra Christensen...... AKA SAVATTRA I think you need to stop bashing all of these successfull women (I did a search in regard to the comments you've posted about other writers/speakers that are quite successfull. It seems to me that you are on a personal vendeta of some sort. In some of your postings you identify yourself as a "I am a lawyer, a Catholic, and an intuitive healer.." Hmm, intuitive healer lawyer. Plese get a life and stop bashing others who obviously are quite more successful than you are if you have all this time to write about people all these awful things. Why don't you keep your negative views to yourself before someone sues you for defermation of character? I am sure the public can make an informed consent on their own or you think they are dumb sheep that you need to lead? And besides, there is regional accreditation and other sorts of accreditations. In one of yoru posts you said that Sonia Choquette had a "fake degree" Please, woman, her degree is accredited by the drugless association. By the way, in which of hte 50 states are you a licensed lawyer? Elswhere you wrote that you had had a problem with the board in Chicago and that is why you allegedly paid $400 to Choquette to do a psychic reading to you. I mean, give me a break!!!
Katherine Alexandra Christensen...... AKA SAVATTRA I think you need to stop bashing all of these successfull women (I did a search in regard to the comments you've posted about other writers/speakers that are quite successfull. It seems to me that you are on a personal vendeta of some sort. In some of your postings you identify yourself as a "I am a lawyer, a Catholic, and an intuitive healer.." Hmm, intuitive healer lawyer. Plese get a life and stop bashing others who obviously are quite more successful than you are if you have all this time to write about people all these awful things. Why don't you keep your negative views to yourself before someone sues you for defermation of character? I am sure the public can make an informed consent on their own or you think they are dumb sheep that you need to lead? And besides, there is regional accreditation and other sorts of accreditations. In one of yoru posts you said that Sonia Choquette had a "fake degree" Please, woman, her degree is accredited by the drugless association. By the way, in which of hte 50 states are you a licensed lawyer? Elswhere you wrote that you had had a problem with the board in Chicago and that is why you allegedly paid $400 to Choquette to do a psychic reading to you. I mean, give me a break!!!
She had a psychic reading? How can she believe in something like that and not in angel therapy. You should go and have a crystal healing with a true crystal healer Savattra.............it is awesome. But Oh well, I guess that people who can SEE the future are real, but the chance that there may be an Angel hovering around would seem ridiculous......
Your Angels still love you Savattra, they probably try and get your attention all the time but you choose to ingnore them.......:)
Haven't heard from you for awhile........are you not interested anymore?
Angel1111
hi, just found this forum lately and could not believe it as I have been quite confused lately about my thoughts on Doreen virtue.Over the last year 2 yrs ive purchased most of her books as I was very interested in angel therapy and angel cards.We dont have much of a choice where I live of different authors and doreens books seems to take over the bookshops.I enjoyed the books very much and read her life story, use her angel cards and have taken on alot of her advice, however I did find alot of the books contained similar material so I had to check through any book I was buying to make sure it was different from any previous one I had. I also notice lately more products for sale which to be honest are quite expensive for what they are e.g card reading kit? it would have been handy if she had brought that out first as many of us have the cards at this stage I no its good for beginners but there isnt alot cards in it,now I see another kit from her and her son?.Anyway my biggest disappointment is the oracle board that i purchased wasnt sure wether to use it or not when doreen stated she had used ouija boards? that is definatly not on gods side of things? (you cant really work on both sides) but my board has not done what it claims it can do whatsoever and sadly I feel its a bit of a gimmick im disappointed because I fear a greed of money taking over with all these items I even gave it to a lady I no who is a psychic because I thought maybe it would better for her but she was disappointed also. On the board theres a yes/ no section to you answers but I really should have known if this board really did answer accurate to yes/no questions in fairness wouldnt everyone have one?Also on reading the section in one of the books on if practising dont charge too little? I understand people have to make a living and I agree if you give card/psychic readings you have to charge for your time and you did study to use them however I feel surely if you get the gift of healing people its a wonderful gift not many receive it and if it comes from above I dont think he would agree to charging? Im not over religious but have suffered with my health for years I have had ailments cured by a man who was a business man but got a vision from god and a healing gift but was asked to give up everything he had money/house ect and go to this run down retreat centre and heal from there down in the back of beyond town in ireland, he did and people come there all the time theres been alot of serious cures happened down there and im one of them he is recognised by the church over here and the great thing is he works every day healing,travelling,and what does he charge? absolutely nothing he survives on donations him and his family of 7 children I dont know many people that would do that but that is the definition of a real healer !
I have never joined anything like this before, so a comment Virgin if you like will adequately describe me. I'm shocked at the hatred for Doreen by some writers, I have only read a couple of her books but I am sure, last I checked, she was a human being who at best is try to give some people hope and add a little love to our lives and enlighten the path to God and our Angels. No harm done right? Religion has been doing it for thousands of years. New Age? At one time Catholicism and all other denominations were new age. Time line appropriate of course. A conversation earlier with my sister Shannon, who suffers dearly with Multiple Sclerosis, was that of God and Angels and how she could better communicate with them so that she could feel better both physically and mentally, was all information I got from Doreen's book that I just purchased 5 days ago. Our conversation was wonderful ans she felt wonderful! Is that the work of someone doing evil? I think not, anyone who takes time to share love is doing God's work, and yes she is getting paid but aren't priest and parrishonners alike?
Crystal gal.......Glad to hear your sister has found something to make her feel good. That is the Intention of Doreen, and I have believed in Angels well before I came across her, and many people have the same thoughts and feelings that she does. Many times when I feel so afraid and just have had enough, I look up to see the numbers 11 or 111 etc., and honestly.......it makes me feel good. And my whole thought process changes, and I can smile and I can cope......and that may seem silly, but I mean when times are really really tough to the point of I just don't know how to go on...........there are my numbers.
What that means? I don't know, however I do know that it can not possibly be coincidence. Somebody or something is just giving me that little pick your self up and i really do get courage and strength.
And we all grew up with fairy tales, that never hurt anyone, and if Angels are just fairy tales, well as I said before, we are adults, we have our own thought.. We can enjoy something, just as kids enjoy Santa. We can believe what we want. I love my Angels.....
Enjoy the wonderful feeling. And watch how many Pennies you find in the next week. Let me know.
Angel 1111 :)
Dear Angel 1111 :),
I was so glad to have received a sweet reply, As for the pennies I have come across a few actually, and as I do with all pennies, I recite " pick up up pennies that are around you and all day long the angels will surround you". What a pick me up that is :) Your numbers are interesting, the universe opens up at 11:11 a.m. and p.m.. You probably knew that, but I still find it interesting. I quite agree with the growing up with Fairy Tales and all but I do truley believe in Angels. They make me feel safe when I'm afraid, happy when I'm sad and confident when I'm not sure, now ya all can say it is all in yer head but isn't everything?...
Yours in Spirit,
Crystal Gal
I feel like there is a lot of negativity and arrogance coming from those who defend Doreen Virtue and those who choose not to believe her.
I was told that she does receive messages just that she doesn't understand them fully. That is where the danger comes in. it's better to remain silent than to teach half truths. THIS IS WHAT SHE IS DOING. I use to believe what she use to write and speak. It changed when the divine realm intervened in my life.
Her being married 4 times and maybe having several sexual mates in between does affect her aura. Which is why I am told repeatedly to remain faithful to one mate in this lifetime so we can share each other’s energies in purity and help each other to evolve.
There are many people out there with depleted and defiled auras reeking of evil. Who are negative influences. So imagine being intimate with these energies it detrimental to our auras and well being. Plus the more our auras emit positive energies of good thoughts, good words, and good deeds and not sexual indulgence we are better conduits to the divine realm. This is something which she and many other “New age Spiritualists” lack. They work for money and money is their god. Which is why there is no such person who is a Reiki Master or such people as The indigo’s or Crystals or whatever trendy incarnation is to be believed in. We all have our karma to live in this lifetime. Good or bad. So if we are evolved and are more spiritually knowledgeable (which comes from within and not from the media or books ect, ect) than others thank god for the efforts that we put in our past lives to get to such a status in our spiritual progression.
It's better to believe in yourselves and in god than to go out and get the information and be influenced by their words, thoughts and deeds.
I welcome all criticism hahahaha.
after reading alot of the comments about Doreen Virtues work, what i have noticed is that almost all of you have missed an incredible point. there has been alot of name calling, mainly towards the writing of the article at the beginning of the page. what i would like to remind you all, and is incredibly important, is we are all at different stages in our spiritual journey, this writer has chosen to write about his own version of truth, and that is okay! like people in organised religions today, that is where they need to be for the spiritual awareness they are experiencing at this time. i commend the author of this article for feeling so strongly about his beliefs, he chose to share them in a very public way. remember, that is the truth for him/her at this stage of their spiritual awareness. there is no wrong or right here. we are all on a different path, but the journey will end at the same destination. remember who YOU are, and dont condem. this person doesn't deserve that. in the eyes of God, he, like all of us, are perfect and whole, engulphed in the white light of Love. it is very easy to condem, but remember that while condeming, we are really condeming ourselves. while this author is seeing our special friends, whether they be ascended masters, archies or angels through the eyes of fear, it is not always going to be that way... it is simply where he is in this incarnation. but we cannot know where he/she will be going and seeing in the future. wrap him in the white light of love, and see him through divine eyes. he is already perfect in the eyes of God.
just a little after thought...i am a Spiritual therapist, and i do not charge for my services. (i work on a donation system where if no one pays a cent, that is absolutely fine). but that in no way makes me need to condemn others who do charge. we are all different, and have different paths to follow. please remember love is the key to happiness, and this is what Doreen has preached through it all. without her insights, and the fact i see so much of myself in her journey, is more verification of truth for my own personal path. i have also seen angels. in fact i have flown with them. what more verification of love can there be than that? please remember... Doreen has changed the lives of millions of people the world over. (i live in New Zealand). and i would hazzard a guess many who do not decide to continue with her teachings are simply not ready to accept. it can be a very scary step to take! but listen to your inner wisdom. what feels right... is right...
For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works." -2nd Corinthians 11:13-15
JM
When I wrote this op-ed I never expected the degree of its readership and reaction. I remain in my initial position and intention of stating that dabbling without discretion in the spiritual realm can have negative consequences. I hope this article can foster enough debate to reveal the truth about Ms. Virtue and her work. I hope I am wrong and she is the real deal. Not just for her sake but everyone else. I saw a movie called "The Craft" a few days ago. One of the characters got so into witchcraft that she went crazy after calling on some powerful spirits. There is some real life examples of what was portrayed on the film. This is what my hope is to never happen to anyone. Its not worth it and is an awful experience.
How valid would it be for a Buddhist of a Jew to make commentaries on christianity? Books or articles of that nature would not sell very well because the number of people open to such thoughts are very few in number. This is exactly what is occurring when a religious person makes judgements on someone in the business of spirit communication.
How much validity does your dentist have when making comments on an auto mechainic's ability? None. Spirit frequently has nothing to do with religion. more often than not all forms of religion are more properly classified under politics and bigotry. Any religion that either allows or promotes warefare of any kind is just bad politcs it has nothing to do with spirit. How do you reconcile a god noted for compassion who has so many warlike followers? It should be a very large clue that something is very wrong.
Both protestantism and the catholics converge on one man, Paul or Saul the tax collector. It is a known fact that the man never met Jesus and was an enemy of Jesus for the intrests of the state at the time. Everything is based on his vision on the road. Often people have such visions and good is produced of them. But they are limited to the understanding of the person at the time, therfore imperfect. Many had more spiritual training than Paul and would have gotten much more out of the same vision.
Jesus had an older brother on his father's side of the family,.a step-bother. In Jesus' abscence he led the church until a political battle ensued between them and Paul won out. Actually Paul's followers did most of the evil over the issue of accepting Jews into Christianity. Paul wanted nothing to do with them. As Christianity spread through the world, it changed the message slightly so that within the lifetime of one man it went to war with itself.
Later Constatine is portrayed as a converted christian, he gave lip service only to the religion to promote the power of the state (his power) over the people through a corrupted religion which set himself up as Jesus in all ways except in name. He and others following him, tore out whole sections of the papers that became the Bible, rewrote other sections at will, and accidently mixed them with bogus papers that were written by the Apostles themselves to throw the Romans into confusion. The most obscure sections of the Bible are the least corrupt, the plainer the text the more corrupt it tends to be.
The papers that became the Bible were never meant for the common person. They were meant for a select group of people of a higher than normal spiritual intelligence. Those people became monks and mystics. If those papers were meant for the common man and had some magical enchantment to survive 4 major language traslations over 2,000 years to be understood today, then there's a problem.
Have you ever heard of "half" an enchantment?
In any story of enchantment, whatever has been enchanted has a "full" enchantment. Whatever the object is, it's ability to affect reality is complete, it does the job.
If the bible were meant to survive time and translation it would have been incorruptable, the pages would be understood by everyone regardless of who is reading them. You should be able to read a 2,000 year old Aramaic Bible today and the pages should be like new. That is not the case, bibles rot like any other book, they were created by men to serve the people living at the time. Is God somwhow less capable than a nature spirit, and only capable of "half" an enchantment?
There is no need for Holy Books, we have something that is superior within every person. Intuition is the word of God. Most women are closer to god than anyone else. However most men create religions.
The assertion that god and angles are above men is a direct contradiction of what spirit says about itself presently. You rely on the infection of some very bigoted men that are long dead. You are worshipping the state's politics of war, thinly veiled under the label of spirit.
Any person who points back to God and his/her angels is doing something right initially. The details about the person's past or the projections from an infantile medical technology are unworthy of attention.
P.S., If indeed the religion is as corrupt as I imply, then those "fallen angels" may well be the real item, and the good angels you follow may be playing for the other team.
Yet you are told not to rely on your own perceptions, but the state's book instead. There is a reason the Anti-Christ was never named, it was the church itself.
The bottle is trying to pass itself off as the Genii.
Only angels will impart love to us...and Doreen Virtue has taught us how to love. Her teaching has benefited me greatly as I now know how to love others. I think only people who like to attack others on a personal level have demon in their heart, regardless of what belief system about God and angels one has. Jesus Christ had also attempted to impart love to people of his era but did the Jews believed him??? No, they didn't and he was cruelly killed in the end. That is why now people believe him in order to wash away the sins of their ancestors. How come when Jesus was well alive, no one honoured his teachings, except for the few who believed??? Isn't it too late to honour his teachings when one can only rely on the teachings that have passed down by those church pastors and not by Jesus Christ himself. Who knows whether the teachings had been greatly altered by those pastors or not??? Even if one is a pastor, you cannot guarantee that he has a pure angelic heart.
Who are you creepy people? Where do you come from? What the F are you talking about?
Why is it that the weirdest shit on this site is always in SF?
Boy lot's written on Doreen Virtue, I'm a ATP/Medium through her courses. I don't know if anyone else knows about this article from Angel Therapy. I have read most of her books, I was developing in psychic abilities before I knew of her. Many have written on here with concerns about connecting with evil spirits. That somehow when you talk to Angels they will deceive you into thinking that they are good.
Well in her books I believe it was "Messages from your Angels", she goes over what it feels like to connect with angelic energy versus something negative. She gives examples of a angelic communication versus negative entity. I believe I was led to her, because I had connected with negative entities without knowing. I did not ask for them to come into my life, but they found me anyway. They are all over the place.
I needed to connect with these positive people to help me. I believe to this day they still do, I mean the Angels. I received my certificate back in 2003 for ATP, and 2004 for Mediumship. I had already developed on my own. But I needed to connect with more positive and protective energies.
I wasn't always like this, I was a normal person, with normal communication skills. I do not know exactly why this developed in me. It has been difficult at times, but now it's more second nature to me. So I understand people's scepticism. This is not for everyone, to hear the voices of spirits and Angels. So no matter what I say, you will not believe in it, nor will you believe me that I say you can talk to positive spirits and Angels.
Her books are very positive. She wants other women to succeed like her. That's why she has a certification program for us to go out and teach, write, lecture, do readings, artist, healers, reiki master, masseuses, singers, musicians, etc. whatever is in our hearts as lightworkers.
One thing I think that most people have qualms about is the cost of the seminars, yes there around $1500 that a weeks worth of seminar. Yoga in the morning, the class ran throughout the day, breakfast and lunch, fed very well indeed. Often something special in the evening like dancing, spiritual type film. It's alot for people to handle this growth in a short period of time. Many share stories of things that will happen to them at the seminar, it is a definate time of growth. People make friendships and connect to like-minded people there. They stay connected on her message board on her site, and through Belief.net bookclub.
I believe Doreen's main message is one of love from your Angels, that they are with you, that you pray for their assistance when you need them. She never takes credit for her gift, she always says, I just hear the Angels well. You can hear her live every Wednesday on www.Hayhouse.com radio she does live readings on there, and her husband Steven comes on afterwards(check the schedule for right times) Maybe that would help you know more about how she is. She asks that others send support to the person she is reading for, it is a time of positive and loving energy.
All I can say, she is not for everyone. If she was, then she would be the only opinion out there. We all connect with different teachers, I consider her a mentor. That all women can succeed in their gifts with whatever that path takes us. For me I started doing readings online, trying to get more exposure for my gifts. I also do readings from people who find me through her site. I am also an artist, and dabble in writing.
We all have our right to form our own opinions, that's what' wonderful about the internet and living in the U.S. All I can say is when in doubt pray, and watch for signs of things happening in your life. I did, and I am glad I found this connection, I was in alot of danger from not only the dead but the living. It took awhile for it to clean up, and I still am careful who I associate with. I always ask for protection, and to be guided with specific issues in my life. For me it has worked, not perfectly, because the Angels cannot live my life for me. But I know they help me every moment of the day, with little things that I ask.
I just wanted to write my experience and opinion, about my connection to Doreen Virtue.
Isn't part of the problem here the issue of what Doreen means by an Angel or an Ascended Master etc. Yes there are only seven Archangels in the Bible but according to Jewish, Persian, Islamic and Christian Angelogoy there are whole hosts of celestial hierarchies. The profoundly influentual and visionary Syriac Christian Mystic known as the Pseudo-Dionysus described nine celestial hierarchies which you will see embodied on Cathedrals all across Europe (eg Chartres, Notre Dame etc). In contrast, the Valentinian Christians of the early centuries AD believed that each of us had an eternal self in the Pleroma (the Fullness) which was our Divine Self, of which our earthly bodies were a part. For them, the Salvation of Christ involved our own reconnecting with this Divine Self in the Bridal Chamber, just as Christ does with the Holy Spirit at the River Jordan (Christ, as the Son of God, reconnects with his Father). The Valentinians called this Divine Self the Guardian Angel, and in fact this was where the concept originally came from.
The Ascended Masters, however, are different to Angels in that they are Ancestors or great Men and Women who have attained a state of such spiritual perfection that they have become Angelic Beings while Angels are created directly by God. There is a precedent for this in all religions - the Devas (Shining Ones) of Hinduism spoken of in the Bagavad Gita, the Saints of Christianity, Enoch/Metatron and Elijah in the Old Testament (two humans who entered heaven without dying), Idris and Al-Khidr in Islam, various Buddhas in Buddhism (especially Tibetan Buddhism) etc etc. Interestingly, the term Sons of Man/God which are used in the New Testament are used in the Old Testament to describe Angels (cf Book of Daniel), and in Luke Christ talks of those who have truly been transformed by him as 'like unto the Angels'. So you could argue that our Angelic potential is exactly what Christ was teaching us...
Doreen Virtue's catalogue of Ascended Masters begins with Madam Blavatsky who was the first to speak of them. One of the Ascended Masters, Koot Hoomi, was a Tibetan monk who, when he was alive in the 19th C came to London in the 1850s and wrote a book about the whole subject. Doreen Virtue is working in a tradition which goes all the way back to then. Now, whether she is really in touch with something, whether she is a charlatan or not etc is up to each and every one us to decide, but it is worth remembering that the Catholic Church itself has, in the past demanded enormous amounts of money from its followers, so it may be wise to think of glass houses before we throw stones too readily!
Nonetheless you are right in saying that, in the Western Traditions, Angels are pretty terrifying beings, even though they are on our side (cf Isaiah's encounter, Chapter 6 or the Angel of the Annunciation in Matthew and Luke who appears before Joseph and Mary). In Kabbalah, it is Metatron who is especially sympathetic towards humanity, the others being charged with policing the Seven Heavens and protecting them from the wrong approaches from humanity. For me, a lot of New Age angelology is extremely wishy washy and sentimental, but is it any different to offering up prayers to the Virgin or anyone else to help us out?
The issue of what is true spirituality or not is something else. But maybe we need to ask why many people are going elsewhere for spirituality than the main organised religions. The message of Christianity, Judaism and Islam has changed over the centuries. What is it that has driven people away from the Church, Mosque and Synagogue? Many of these religions have blood on their hands historically, many speak against women or emphasise hell, damnation and punishment rather than heaven, love and compassion. Human beings seek what helps them to grow. Maybe the success of the Doreen Virtues stems from something that is lacking in our religions??? Is that worth thinking about?
I'm all for the separation of church and hate. When I see one using religion to create something damaging, like this slanderous article, I have to wonder to what God one prays. Doreen is working through kindness. What type of behavior is this "article" working thorugh? Whether this type of aggression is directed in a community, a workplace, or online....we have to stop and think. Are we representing the God we say we are promoting? We speak well of ourselves when we speak well of others. This article is very damaging to the character of the author.
EL G...If you feel that way, why would you ever read the article and all the comments then finally make a very ridiculous comment. Why bother. Just go on to the next. It must have interested you to take the time.
Crystal Gal, if you ever get back to this..........I love that penny verse. I will always remember it...:)
And yes, I love my Angels too. I know it seems silly but if something is wrong and I yell for them......the something that is wrong always works out. Hope all is well with you.
And Savattra hope you are well too. Try calling an Angel when something is wrong. See what happens.
Much Luv to all my friends on earth........
Angel1111
i recently came across two of your articles; one concerning new age practicioner sonia choquette and the latter involving counselor and medium, doreen virtue. it saddens me to hear that those closest to you were "manipulated" by these women, both of whom i greatly admire.
i've taken the time to peruse several books by both authors, and i found their advice to be uplifting, challenging, and revolutionary. i truly believe that their words have healing power.
at the same time, i don't agree totally with all of their viewpoints, and why would i? god has given me the gift of discernement and divine intelligence; these attributes are present in all of us.
i'm not here to berate or villify you, but I certainly hope that you will spend your time spreading love instead of animosity. you seem very angry, and i believe that the discomfort you feel existed long before sonia choquette entered the new age scene. maybe now is the time to confront the pain that lives within your heart. i suspect that sonia illicits such a volatile response because she has reached the level of notoriety that you secretly hope for.
as a fellow intuitive, i urge you to take the focus away from the likes of sonia and doreen, and onto yourself. true power empowers; it does not judge, belittle, or demonize anyone. remember, we are all god's creation.
Sonia Choquette gave me a reading that she gave to 5 of my friends. This is not about jealousy as your adolescent rationale implies. Rather I was ripped off as were my friends and that is a legitimate cause of negative reaction.
Doreen Virtue earned thousands of dollars from a vulnerable person who took all her trainings with the promise that she too would reach the enlightenment and bank account of the "metaphysician". The woman needed psychiatric care because the thoughts put in her mind caused her to doubt reality and avoid dealing with the real problems. Another reason why there is a negative reaction to her work as well. Wolves in sheeps clothing should be exposed.
religiosity exists, irrespective of one's chosen faith. every religion has people that entertain delusions of grandeur. mental illness is a very real condition, and sometimes, religious zeal can be used to mask it. many things are done in the name of our creator-doesn't make them right. at the same time, we must learn to forgive because it's impossible to travel with excess baggage.
okay, this is in response to savattra's article(s) written about the hay house crew :0) i was thinking about the fees that sonia and doreen charge for private readings, group work, etc-when it dawned on me, it's all about your perception, if you think that $5000 is far too expensive a price for any product, then it is, but the opposite is also true. a few years ago i began working in retail (no longer on that train tyvm), and managers always stressed the danger in selling from your own pocket; basically re-terating what i said about perception. what's overpriced to one person may be relatively inexspensive for the next. thus, we run the risk of missing out on an opportunity because all we see is scarcity-and this isn't a dig at you savattra. i'm actually glad that you took the time to write your articles-because it forces people to look at the way they shape reality.
best
nicole
Just to clear some things up - I am not against women healers and true psychics. If you notice I recommend Laura Day, Dr. Mona Lisa Schultz, Dr. Judith Orloff, Penney Peirce, and Marcia Emery. In the world of psychics and healers be as discerning as you would when selecting a mechanic.
To savattra, the "supposed author" of this trash you have written about a very honorable and gifted lady and healer whom is Doreen Virtue,
Great people talk about Ideas, Average people talk about things, and SMALL people talk about other people.
I guess everyone falls into a different lot of life- it's completely clear where you lie. There are plenty of people who know exactly what Doreen Virtue speaks of and represents. There are people that are on her level, and above it. Many know the names of the ones she speaks of, for they work with them also. It's funny how the enlightened ones get the grand pleasures of working with such sleeping and non-aware individuals at times- and sometimes, just flat out immature idiots, as your self. It's quite typical for a lowly evolved soul to mock things they do not understand, verses try to raise themselves to acquire the knowledge. Thank God for Ascension. Hopefully you will lift your self out of your limited (as that of a mosquito), box of hell and step into the Light- immediately. There is no need to be jealous, just start doing your own homework- you'll get there...eventually?...
In the world of psyhic phenomenon not all things are the same. Like I have stated before its like going to a care mechanic ... some are excellent with a fair price and others are rip off artists. People go to these healers when they are vulnerable. The sad part is that being vulnerable can quickly lead to exploitation. This is what I am getting at. I don't expect people to agree with me. I only have seen more damage done to those who have turned to certain healers in the public eye. It is sad and could have been avoided. As for allegations of jealousy .... if I were truly jealous why am I promoting those who are also Hay House authors who are also healers? I would be criticizing them as well if I was.
Dear Savattra,
You are so right, The Guru's will be exposed.
The following is an e-mail I recieved
The Greed in Today's Spiritual Teachers
As I hope you have noticed by now, it's rare indeed to hear me spend time on such worldly issues as politics, the economy, and monetary gain. Nevertheless, after much deliberation, I feel compelled to share my thoughts about something, namely the huge emphasis within "popular" New Age thought over the last year or two on people learning to "get more of what they want" from life-particularly when it comes to money and material possessions.
I can't help but notice that Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, Krishna, and numerous other masters forgot to tell us this newly discovered "prerequisite for enlightenment." How is it that the ancient masters failed to tell us what so many New Thought teachers and authors are now commonly addressing? These modern teachers tell us to use the creative power within our minds to get more "stuff." Instead, the masters of old taught that we should practice getting rid of our "stuff." This should make us wonder if the teachers of old were missing something or if today's teachers have perhaps fallen prey to the lord of this world-greed. Of course their greed is disguised as "creating your reality." But, who do you think is giving them the finances for the material possessions they are "creating"? It's you, the spiritual student! Don't get me wrong, I agree that we should all be abundant, but why do spiritual teachers (or anyone, for that matter) need several cars, houses, and boats, while failing to be equally okay giving such possessions to others in need.
Once the movie The Secret (which was great) made it so big, too many teachers and authors jumped on the bandwagon writing books, making more movies, and creating seminars, in effect telling people how important it is to get more from life. Sadly, it's rare for any of these same teachers and authors to allow those who have little or no money to attend for free-mainly because such folks who have no money can't help to supply these teachers with another boat payment. I recently saw an interview with one of these teachers/authors. Asked how he was doing, he replied by stating that he had just paid cash for a new house, as though this is the measure of one's state of being. Instead, imagine answering such a question as "How are you doing?" by the measure of how much you are able to give to others.
Also, I recently heard from the coordinator of a popular spiritual conference that she was having difficulty getting speakers to attend her next event because most have followed the trend of asking for $15,000-$25,000 per hour for their time, which they usually want to have paid in advance. This seems absurd to me! While teaching and speaking at conferences for over 25 years, I have met all of the well-known teachers and authors (many of whom are friends and colleagues) and have not found one that has wisdom worth $25,000 dollars per hour. In fact, I personally find that many of my students have more sincerity and as much wisdom as the most popular of these teachers and authors.
It seems acceptable even for students of spirituality to complain about the profits the government makes on our taxes or the oil tycoons make on fuel or large corporations give to pad the lives of their CEO's, but nobody bothers to notice the greed of modern spiritual teachers. Buddha laughed at the likes of these individuals; Jesus rebuked them and referred to them as blind guides and hypocrites. Furthermore, neither Buddha nor Jesus ever charged a dime for their teachings, which by the way, far surpass the teachings of any of today's authors.
Now, you might ask, "Well Michael, don't you also charge for your services?" The answer is of course, "yes." But, in over 25 years of teaching we (my staff and I) have NEVER turned away a student who couldn't afford our workshops or sessions-that is, as long as that student or client was sincere about learning or healing. Yes, we do ask for occasional donations to assist with printing and or the numerous expenses for our retreats, but we share even these donations with others in need. At our recent mastery intensive, our attendees were surprised to see that such a large portion of their fee was spent on workshop supplies, guest facilitators, and on beautifying the property for their further enjoyment. In other words, we directly gave back to those who gave to us. We see this as a win-win scenario, rather than being one person benefiting from what they take from others.
All this said, I encourage everyone to speak up on the matter in question. Please send a copy of this letter and/or your own thoughts to everyone involved-including the most well known spiritual teachers-and remind them to get their priorities straight and to put love and service before self and profit. Take a moment to remind them what they may seem to have forgotten: "The world is for-giving and not for-getting."
Love and Light, Michael Mirdad
From Driver
it seems to me that there are a few people on this site who are a little disgruntled by the questioning of doreen's virtues, perhaps it could be suggested that some of her students and followers will not attain the spiritual wisdom peace and harmony they seek by getting spitty and picking up their clubs and walloping anyone who dares to critisise their teacher and guru. no one can gain enlightenment through anger and know one can know god without enlightenment, sure there are false teachers in this world but we have free will to choose for ourselves who they are.
there is a positive and negative in everything i don't see any reason why this would not apply to the angelic realm and everyone would do well to remember that lucifer was the angel of light he and a third of the angels fell from gods grace. oh how they would love to get their grubby hands on people who are too lazy to do their homework or read a book, look at research or history which is rich with the activity of angels batting in both teams.i have no objection to other people's choices to work with angels undoubtedly gods sends his holy angels to do all kinds of bit's and bobs, indeed Raphael the healer is one of the few angels that is mentioned by name in the bible. it also says in psalms that there are ten thousand times ten thousand angels and I'm pretty sure that god would at some point given them all a name. the bible also describes (in both the old and the new testament) angels that have four wings and four faces a human face a lion, an ox and an eagle, i am interesed to know if anyone including Dr virtue has encountered any of these angels.
you know people there is nothing wrong with Jesus he's quite a good egg, and the one who many would run to immediately they found they were in trouble with the wrong kind of angel. My only criticism of Dr virtue is that she does not explore the subject of fallen angels how to protect yourself from them if you should attract their attention there is no mention of them at all in any of her work i have read. my only criticismof the author is that fallen angels are not demons god did not deny the fallen lot their angel form or authority when they fell from grace it is explained clearly and simply by a bloke called Terry Law and i think you will find his qualifications and history most acceptable. i will end my rant by saying i personally try to remember the words of Dr Martin Luther King, of Mother Teresa of Gandhi of any that have gone before me whose words can not fail to warm the coldest of hearts no matter what your religious tastes and convictions may be, i take in the wisdom and the advocacy of peace in their words and that rather than getting spitty with the people i disagree with helps and aids my spiritual growth. and help me feel closer to god
well i have spent time reading all this over, its a shame really that u feel this way dear author. If you have personally spent anytime with Dr. Virtue or her husband Dr. Farmer then maybe you would see things in a different light. I have met both of them personally, and recieved readings and spiritual guidance from them both, and spent time with each of them personally, and i feel i am qualified to say that they are both loving and giving individuals who care for people and our planet.
What difference does it make how many time someone has been married? this makes no sense to me whatsoever! and just for the record, Dr. Virtue has been married 3 times, not 4, maybe check your facts??!? and she has been more than open as to why her previous marriages didnt work out, so why fault the woman...you think maybe the man could be a fault? mmmm
Part of being spiritual is not to judge others, and I could say that being Catholic or being a lawyer could also have several drawbacks.....lets see is the Catholic church with out any fault about anything? mmmm i think not...not to mention how many smarmy lawyers are out there...but hey...why generalize when we can just point a finger and say your this or that like you have done in your article...
Sad really, maybe if you contacted them personally, got your facts straight and got to know Drs Virtue and Farmer you would see they are not what you have portrayed them to be, but i guess its easier to make things up then get your story right and accuse people for wrong doings when you have never even met them in person.
Yes there are good and bad in all things, and im sure that everyone has skeletons in their closet, but who are we to judge others? the last poster mentioned Gandi, and mother teresa....well check into them, Gandi was a racist and mother teresa took millions of dollars from people to use for her nunnerys instead of giving money to the poor like she said she was doing, but yet they are both still touted as saints...so lets call a spade a spade shall we, no one is without fault, but its up to all of us a spiritual beings not to pass judgment, get facts wrong and accuse folks of things with out the proper back up.....by the way if u want to look up Ghandi u will find he was predjidced against africans its easy to google that info and also about mother teresa...google away that info is out there, but then again i check my facts before i make sweeping statements about others.
Debate is good, and i dont expect everyone on the planet to think the same we would all be robots then, but lets not pass judement on those of us that do follow this way of life and know doreen virtue for the kind soul she is. Angels are no denominational, and as one of the posters said, she doesnt cover "fallen angels", well some of us dont belive in "fallen angels" "satan" or the like, wiccans for example have been blamed for years for worshiping satan, and the big joke is they dont even believe he exists so how can they worship him? its the same with fallen angels, why does she have to cover that in her teachings if she doesnt want to, im sure if someone asked her about them she would lovingly give her view on it, but again why point a finger to someone when all the good she has done in her life could certianly out weigh the negatives that all of us, and i mean each and everyone of us, have done in our lives... none of us are saints are we?
i hope you dont judge everyone like this, it will make for a sad life really.
Qoute [well i have spent time reading all this over, its a shame really that u feel this way dear author. If you have personally spent anytime with Dr. Virtue or her husband Dr. Farmer then maybe you would see things in a different light. I have met both of them personally, and recieved readings and spiritual guidance from them both, and spent time with each of them personally, and i feel i am qualified to say that they are both loving and giving individuals who care for people and our planet. ]
REALLY,REALLY.
Yes I AM professionally trained with Doreen, spent a fortune, Then I was her staff, at an Angel workshop,
SO I.VE BEEN THERE
YOUR QOUTE IS
[Sad really, maybe if you contacted them personally, got your facts straight and got to know Drs Virtue and Farmer you would see they are not what you have portrayed them to be, but i guess its easier to make things up then get your story right and accuse people for wrong doings when you have never even met them in person.]
SAD FACT , its only money NOW major money all the way,
I started out like you, bright eyed and bushy tailed.
But now I know the facts,
Now I rely on my gift of mediumship which brought me to this place anyway, I should never have doubted my gift, and I NEVER WILL.
lOVE driver.
You know it is sad Savattra that you don't have your facts straight. So what if Doreen got married more than once. Remember, every failure or difficulty in life is a lesson in life and we all grow from our weaknesses. In your bio stating that you "love life" is entirely fraud because you are destructive. This article about Doreen and other articles to attack other gifted people are libels and slanders. Hmmm, libel and slander...is this how you love life? How can you even criticize about people's marital issues when you are single. You don't know a damn thing about marriage until you are in it. Yes, I am married. You know I can understand why God did not give you the gift of discernment because you don't deserve it. God gives gifts to people who He knows will be peacemakers, strengthen their spirituality, and be better and positive people. If you haven't met Doreen or the others and attended any of their workshops, I suggest you keep your damn opinions to yourself. I think that you need to ask the Holy Spirit to help you open your heart not your mouth so that you will be given wisdom and the gift of knowing all so that you can get your facts straight.
Thanks Hazel,
YOUR QOUTE,
thats me,I was born with my gift, but said who me until I met doreen, paid my money, lots , got my cert. to get a paper that said i had a gift, I paid 1,444. and more another 500 for my stay
[God gives gifts to people who He knows will be peacemakers, strengthen their spirituality, and be better and positive people.]
If you haven't met Doreen or the others and attended any of their workshops,]
Yes I've been trained by doreen and yes I KNOW.The facts.
I suggest you keep your damn opinions to yourself. I think that you need to ask the Holy Spirit to help you open your heart not your mouth so that you will be given wisdom and the gift of knowing all so that you can get your facts straight.]
Holy spirit is asking you to look at truth, you have a major problem here, why, truth is pure and costs nothing,
Love Driver
Hi Driver,
When you made the choice on being trained with Doreen, it was at your own discretion. There are people in church which you might know on how to manage your gift. The church is the best place to ask for spiritual guidance because the priests, rabbi, etc...have deeper knowledge about things that civilian people do not know. Yes, the truth is free and pure. Ask the Holy Spirit to send the message to you (people who need it) and in time it will be revealed to you in a dream. I asked the Holy Spirit to have the ability to see angels. I pray to my angels. I prayed previously to be able to see angels and I did. Although it took me years of asking but persistence paid off. I prayed to be able to receive messages from angels and I did. I prayed to the angels to let me feel their presence and I did. And now, connecting with angels is much easier for me. But, one thing I did not do is spend $$$$ to connect with angels...not even a penny. Just a reminder in the bible, Jesus said, "Ask and you shall receive." If we have learned anything about this entire discussion is to increase our faith. If Jesus said, "Ask and you shall receive" then why can't we ask Him directly for anything we want rather than going through the middleman and spend money to connect with our angels, Jesus, God, etc....I realize that when your faith increases and your heart is pure, you can connect and receive divine messages. It takes time to do this but if you are persistent you will receive what you asked for. I did.
Good Day Savattra,
You must still be in awe of so many people sending replies to your article, people have given into your negative energetic shots at Doreen. People get hooked on media all the time. Like, all the Talibans that use Media to condemn the USA and its citizens.
This must make you feel powerful, like in a courtroom when a lawyer knows how to get under people skin and push the proper buttons. Its all about the game. Using the right words to make a person feel like they are under your scrutiny and judgements, What a power trip!! That is how the ego works, it feels your soul with whatever it needs to feel good and poweful about itself.
However, we in the Spiritual Community, Angels readers/healers, psychics, Shamans and Shamanwomen, know that every human being in this world are at different levels in their soul evolution. I could safely say that we don't really pray to dogma, the religions of the world has used the devil to control the masses, this is a part of the piscean age. Look up the ages of our human evolution, the bronze age, the dark age, and we have evolved. The devil was man made, put into our minds that if we don't follow the religion, we will be put into fire. Think about it, doesn't that sound stupid, what would be the point be of coming to this planet. You can`t honestly believe, or make the people believe today, that is the condemnation of God, if God is love, then why would he put his children there.
And as for putting down Stephen Farmer, being a plastic Shaman. Once the soul as evolved, a soul can see past the illusion of what you see. Do you think you are a soul, and what about the trees, the grass, the water. They have a life force just like you. What would happen if you were to die today, who do think would be guiding you to God, An Angel. Doreen doesn`t boss them around and tell them to manifest all this stuff for us, once you receive divine guidance. The money part is an energetic exchange. What do lawyers charge for their services, what about the judicial system. How much money is being thrown and strewn about in a negative way, and how many people in the system are just pawns in a game where money is used to get the lawyers to help them. People have to pay thousands of dollars for a system that is so unjust, and what does that do for them. Look at OJ Simpson and how he used money to buy him out of murder charges, and how the lawyers used the system to their advantage by `keeping everything legal`, and knowing how the use the law for their advantages, knowing they are unjust. Explain that to me, divine order has a way of justice being served no matter what, or who, you still have to pay in the end. What is your worth, putting others down, have you asked the people that she has helped, have you ever been to her workshops, or any other for that matter. If you have really done your research and left yourself to be OPEN, I can honestly say that, you probably would not have written this article.
I believe you have Angels, guarding you. Have you done research into Mellen Thomas-Benedict, do that and see what happened to him, he was as skeptical as you.
This article is dumb. Clearly this person Sa-whatever your name is, has no idea that angels are there to help you with anything you ask. God can be a "boy who does errands" After all, he is everything! Please don't attack Doreen like this. Get a life. About the "hard earn money" People spend it in worse things, but then expexcting doreen's help with your spiritual growth for FREE? Come on! Get real...
Two of the angels Doreen does mention in one of her books are actually "fallen" angels. That I found in either Jewish writing or islamic writing (I don't remember which) but they are Azazel and Metatron. This comment is straight doo-doo!
Well, I finally read all the comment! I thank, I Love Angels for making several points about a lot of things. I bet all these comments do give Savattra some kind of feeling of "power". I bet that every since Savattra had wrote this article & got more well known; that she started charging more money to represent her clients in court.
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What I wonder is, what qualifies Doreen to be a "professional" spiritual teacher? Then from there what qualifies her to be a "professional" trainer of other "professional" spiritual teachers? Last I checked we already had "professional" spiritual teachers, with a rigourous training program. Its usually called "seminary" when I hear about it, and it usually cranks out priests and pastors. These priests and pastors molest young kids, engage in extramarital affairs, marry people who will be divorced a year or two later so that he can afford a new PT Cruiser, and continuously talk about people needing to give to the church, or assassinate presidents of Venezuela. Granted not all of these "professional spiritual teachers" do these things but enough that it becomes pretty obvious that "professional" spiritual teachers aren't very professional, and have a weird definition of spiritual teaching. I wonder if Yeshua went through a "professional" spiritual teacher course before giving the Sermon on the Mount. From the way our current "spiritual teachers" act, he must have. Must have had his Phds in Theology and Pastoral Studies prominently displayed so people could know he speaks with authority when he says "Blessed are the meek..." By the same token, he must have had a limo take him into the desert for 40 days, where he sat in a 5 star hotel resisting the temptations of Satan. And when it became time to go to Golgotha, he charged $2111 for people to watch, and was flown in on a first class plane ticket. The plane landed nearby and Pontius Pilate himself rolled out the red carpet. It's true some people do need a "guru" until they are ready to lead themselves. A "true" guru would tell them when it is time to make their own way. A "false prophet" will constantly want their student licking heels. Doreen is a New Age Pharisee.
opps, sorry I didn't get to finish what I was about to say!
Anyway, Ever since I was 3yrs. old I started to having premonitions, visions, seeing spirit, etc... I have always been very intuitive. Even though I had experienced all those things, I was confused about life, the after life, & my faith in God. I wasn't raised in a church & had little knowledge about the bible. Whenever I tried to read it on my own, it was too hard for me to understand. Also, I was the kind of person that had to see things before I believe it. Well...when I was 23 yrs. old, I had a out of body experience & seen an angel w/a bright white light behind her. Seeing that angel, made me more spiritual & a believer in God real quick! Still, I have more questions than answers. I don't believe anyone here on earth has all the answers that I'm looking for. However, I keep an open mind & since then I've gain so much more insight. I can relate to Doreen Virtue because I know that angels do exsist. Her writings have given me a positive outlook. I can have a bad day but turn it around into having a positive meaning. Now, I've learned & feel that "Believing is Seeing". We all have different opinions & beliefs. Savattra speaking out w/her opinions about Doreen Virtue, may have gave some positive insight to some people. In my opinion, I think Savattra is good for a debate & politics. Even though I wouldn't vote for her in an election to become a judge! We all have the right to our own opinions. All that really matters is what we believe in as individual! Take Care Everyone! & P.L.U.R. (Peace, Love, Unity, Respect)
Look I just for the first time, scrolled up and read only 3/4 of the comments - as I didn't know mine was going to be published but fine - basically I am the only one which talks about hell - and being saved. THAT is precisely where she is lying* and deceiving* ALSO I want to know where all these angels on each of these cards was when each of the saints or martyrs were taken, or abused - ? Playing hopscotch!
It's sometimes (unusual) and weird as it sounds more puritan to be taken through the grinder here on earth which is what the Son of God had to go through - We don't have to as its' been done - but some of those closest to him did - its called a CALLING and if one is CHOSEN and follows that chosen path they recieve upmost good stuff up there - certainly not some pingers - as they are not required up there - (mind you eternity versus a pittance of years down here has never equated to me). ALL are Called but few are Chosen. I believe now reading all this - there are swarms of deceiving agents of the other side posing - as angels of light -
Light means truth too and the truth can be dark in terms of psychology - Jesus bled tears - its an honour to be taken through such dark and dire hours for a God you love and serve - this airy fairy crap is leading souls to hell - AND you are never meant to take a dollar for spirtual healing* even our maori healers have koha (a donation - only if you can)
Having this airy-fairy love is like a CO-DEPENDENT or an ILLUSIVE love - it enables for the minute it DISABLES for the long term. You have to be saved to get into the Kingdom for eternity - the rest go to hell* Don't blame me afterwards - NO ONE wants to hear that because NO one specially in this ultra-heretical, ultra-consumerism, HUMANISTIC, society - which is heating up more and more* in the negative - NO ONE wants to pay the price on earth first - for the new KINGDOM - they want a quick fix - like a co-dependent reltaionship - knowing they are in one arm getting a shot of love (someting sustainable for a minute) and in the other with toxic -
it is pure poison spiritually to belive there is no heaven and hell - the primary purpose of an increase in ANGELS of late is to get ready for the final battle of Armegedon I suggest Doreen and her new age counterparts/colleagues - who are NEW AGE JUNKIES for 1/4 truth get REVELATIONS out nd go through it with a fine tooth comb* and if there are a billion or so christians who also believe that - and a couple of hundred - even a handful purist Virute followers - again, let's look @ the stats.
I am sad for those who are sticking up for a MONEY SPINNER in the a name of angels and God - they ain't here to do little tricks for us - that's the deception they are here to End the Earth. Tragic that you are being fooled - those people get taken to hell for heresay and false doctrine incidentally no matter how pretty the face, hair or marketing*
People NEVER wanna talk about Jesus and Hell and getting Saved because it costs them their lives* and their stupid piddly reputation, among their cheap and wonton friends - fear of man or some crap like that, - incidentally in hell you don't get to be with friends and family as everything is so obscure and molten - so for a piddly couple of years you get to give up being with glory for all eternity how ridiculous is that - you don't need a degree for that! but you CAN do some angel cards and spend some money filling someone who's smirking her way to herprobably alread-paid mortage et al.
Again look @ the religions stats too - christianity still has the widest margain - you get all the new agers together and they splinter in seconds - they cannot for up to an hour in conversation agree on anything - @ least the fundamentals of heaven and hell and getting saved - the angels are here for war -not to pick up our laundry - its' to get you up there that counts - forget this soft stuff* you gotta get hard or you don't get up there!
WTF? what is going on, this is so crazy, and funny, I think I do not miss the RER anymore, these people is nuts.
Savattra, or whatever your name is, you have no idea what you are talking about. Before criticising Doreen you should take her classes and read her books. Nothing of your shit makes sense. I took two of her week long classes and am still amazed by the love this woman projects. Angels do exists, like it or not, believe it or not. I communicate with them daily and my life is much easier. You are so angry and desperate for attention, get a life and please don't put such a negative and judgemental article online, shame on you!
One more thing, svattra, people who are mentally challanged wouldn't be able to attend Doreen's classes. Why? The energy in the room is so high and so pure, so loving, they wouldn't be able to fit into it. The Angels are gathering people together.... This probably sounds so complicated or fraudelent to you, ah? Actualy it's a waiste of time even writing to you. Your places is in the mud, by your own choice.
Savattra I hope youget the interview, I'll love to read another article about her, and damn she really is making some good mula cause her fans are really up there.
I just found this link http://www.broowaha.com/profile.php?id=983 where says:
"A word about Savattra:
Savattra Ravi Nam Kaur also writes under the moniker of Katherine Alexandra, the Christian. I live in Marin County, California. Single, never married, no kids, no love life!"
May be you need to wake up and get a real life, with real experiences. Call upong God and his Angels to help you with that. You probably have too much time on your hands, so you entertain yourself with articles like this, pitty... Interesting, you have a sikh name (Kaur stands at end of all people who are sikhs), but at the same time call yourself teh Christian, seems that you are lots into that... I don't think you received your spiritual name from Yogi Bhajan, the man spoke about God and Angels with great respect... Still feel sorry for you savattra, get a life!!!!!
This certainly has been an interesting read and thank you to the people who have maintained their integrity and ability to be fair. I just have a few points to share.
I think the author’s original point relating to “poor people who have been corrupted by Doreen Virtue’ is removing the responsibility from each of these people. Life is about making choices and each person needs to take responsibility for their own decisions. These people are not children who lack any kind of personal awareness or capacity to take care of themselves. It was their choice.
I also think there is something here about realizing that an individual perception of angels or any new age ‘stuff’ can be real or metaphoric but either way you cannot deny the real healing potential there and it is up to each and every one of us to make up our own minds and protect ourselves from bad/negative thoughts. We would do this no matter what religious affiliation we chose. IF evil spirits actually exist, any person is susceptible to being corrupted by them, even people involved in the church. A person involved in angel therapy is no more likely to encounter a negative force than through any other spiritual affiliation.
Concepts relating to: God/Jesus/Angels/Demons/Holy spirit etc are all just words and the associations that our minds put to those words are a choice and differ depending on perspective. No one person is right or wrong about this. They are all metaphoric hierarchical associations/labels that we, as humans, have made up to justify what we want to make ‘real’ but it is all only as real as we make it so no-one can be right or wrong. Some people are going on about how evil spirits corrupted them and they had to seek priests and prayer groups to remove the evil. Well, prayer groups are the same things; it’s another opportunity for people to come together and support each other through a shared positive vision that is only as real as they make it.
In the 1100 and 1200’s in England, the monks were the only individuals who could be doctors because it was believed that the healing of the sick had to be in their hands as they were connected directly to god. Their only known “cures” for any illness or medical problem was to “bleed” the person (cutting them and allowing alot of blood to leave the body as the body was believed to be ‘contaminated’ ) and to rub animal feces in open wounds to produce puss, which was believed to be a good thing. Both of these methods we now know are incorrect but back then, people tried to provide alternative forms of healing using natural or preventative methods (such as covering the face around people who were infected with the plague to avoid infection) but they were hanged for going against the church in this time. Haven’t we learnt from history to be more open-minded about things that are “new”, that test our current knowledge and faith?
Essentially I do see some of Savattra’s points and I would summarize it as this: USE CRITICAL THINKING and MATURE JUDGEMENT. Do your homework and use your brain. Don’t blindly follow someone because they say something is the way it is. Always protect yourself – you can give this any name in the universe but it is THE SAME function; its protection of your being, your spirit and those of your family. Any kind of positive prayer, no matter who it is directed to will give you the same result. So, ensure your thoughts are pure and positive and for the highest good. Only request beings of the highest light to enter your personal space.
I agree with so many others, the lack of evidence to support the bagging you've given Doreen Virtue for simply believing in a better version of your religion Savattra is astounding. Not to mention the obviousness of blind Christian faith being your preference throughout your entire bagging. If you're going to write an article in an attempt to disprove something you really should leave your own beliefs out of it, which I guess you would have not have much of an article in the end, as thats all you were arguing against. Of course everyone should be careful of being mislead into any sort of following that causes harm but I don't see how this one does nor your opinion that that either, therefore it only appears that you are against it because it doesn't tie in with what you believe in your Christian faith. I mean, you only seem to be arguing the whole time that its against ancient christian, and some small references to other ancient religions, belief systems, not that it is unsafe, or something to be wary of. So instead of looking at why this does not marry up with your beliefs, unless you are hardcore in believing that anyone non-Christian is going to hell and shouldn't be allowed to live, why don't you take a long look at yourself and find out why it bothers you, and how exactly it bothers you, enough to jump on a web page and bag it out preaching every Christian belief like its THE gospel for everyone. Do you think people are not allowed to have their own beliefs? What makes your belief better or more certain, not forgetting man wrote the good book. Do you think God would encourage your attitude of distaste towards your fellow neighbour for being different, and then for taking action on this? People who follow belief systems so blindly usually have suffered some trauma in their life and struggle to find a reason for it so they cling to any belief system no matter how flawed to be able to keep going. This isn't a bad thing, it keeps them going doesn't it? Whether its belief in Christianity or in the Angel Realm its theirs and theirs alone. We're not so different after all :)
Good Evening,
I fell rather strange and embarrassed to open up to writing this because first of all I have never felt the need to join an huge discussion like this - I don't generally debate and keep my opinions to myself. Secondly after writing this I will probably come across as weak minded or maybe a bit crazy for believing this but I used to take an interest in the spiritual work mainly through scepticism.
It was then that I came across Doreen Vitrues Angels book. I'm not religious in any way but at the same am not closed minded to anyone elses beliefs and will not shun them. While I skipped over the prayers that were in the book I found that Doreen Virtue was very positive and believed that positive outlook and healthly living could help you through things which I agreed with.
I then came across a page in the book which as titled Death Age. The basic gist of it was that the angels could tell you what age you were going to die if you (something like - I threw the book away shortly after) counted to 3 and listened to the first number which came into your head. This number was the angels telling you what age you were going to die. Mine was 24. I'm 23 now and since reading the book a year ago my minor illnesses i.e. cold viruses, stomach upsets, have tormented me and caused me to worry incessantley.
All of the above is is irrational thoughts which I've dealt with now but surely some responsiblity should lie in the author - she should have really thought how her ''positive'' writings could really affect people.
Thanks for taking the time to read this.
I came across this site by accident and usually do not repsond to anything, but I really had to were this was concerned.
First I have to say that I believe that Ms. Virtue does her Angel therapy for money and profit---period. But, I also believe that what she speaks about is good for mankind. Angels are here to help us. To help us keep our minds on God-they never want to be worshipped-they want us to worship God, and are here to assist us.
I look at her as a person who God will judge-not I. But, I did attend one of her worshops years ago and I could tell that she may like to talk about Angels, but the vibe I recived was that she loved money more-which is sad. But, like a stated above-know who and what you are. Read the bible and always ask God for guidance and use the tools that he gives us. Ms. Virtues cards are just tools that we can use, but they are not God and what she says-she can say-but again she is not God or the bible-so people please stop letting the bad parts of what she is doing take away from the goodness of God and his Angels. They are here to help us and they do love that we look to them like friends who look at the very face of God-but they are not GOD and nor do they ever want to be, but they do like us to listen and to learn so that we can be more open to the Lords words.
Murph--please do not listen to the dark voices in your head-God is only about love and light-and his Angels would never want you to worry-so I am glad that you threw out the book-because it is a lie. Say your prayers and never vist that dark lying place again.
There is power in the spoken word and my words are that you have a long happy and healthy life with the love of God his Angels and many family and friends. Peace be with you.
Is Doreen Virtue (great stage name by the way) the one who sells the ointment that cures all ailments??? It's funny how religious people get totally twisted over this stuff, no wonder wars start. If there is a god, which I highly doubt (ex-catholic, can never quite get rid of the guilt instilled by those "good" religious folks) I think he would be quite disappointed at people making money from this stuff.....but then the good folks at the vatican have been doing it for years, just another day another million for a corrupt, controlling business. Wise up people.
I'm confused. Both sides seem to have good arguments
I would like to know alot more about this angel therapy training. Does anyone know what hotel in Kona she is doing her training at? its scheduled for June, 2009.
Angel D
The hotel information is provided once you've signed up for the course for privacy reasons, but you can contact her group at angeltherapy.com if you would like more information regarding the course.
I've been to a DoreenVirtue seminar in the past, and while she seems to be a nice lady, her staff needs to upgrade their people skills. Some are like schoolyard bullies who believe that because they are associated with her, that they can do no wrong. Is Doreen Virtue's ATP Course worth it? I don't think so. You can find the same information elsewhere for a fraction of the cost, plus not be subjected to the viciousness of her staff. While many ATP's are nice people with good intentions, some of them are in it out of a wish to have a holier than though attitude. They believe they belong to an exclusive clique just like the "Mean Girls," in high school. Any hotel information, etc., can be found earlier on this blog, posted by others. Just hit "edit" and "search page" on your browser and search for "hotel" to find it. Doreen Virtue's event coordinator, Angie Hatfield is an especially angry, mean individual and has no business working with the public. She obviously has personal issues that she takes out on the public. Anyone who is inquiring to be an ATP, by definition is someone who wants to be a good person and do God's work. You have innocent, kind people trying to register to be ATP's only to be met by the gatekeeper from hell in the form of Angie. It makes you wonder how insiteful/intuitive Doreen Virtue possibly could be if she is willing to have people like Angie and other people work with her who have such rotten attitudes toward people spending $700-$2000 to attend the courses. All human beings have emotions, anger and happiness, etc. The Angel Therapy Staff and Doreen Virtue, herself, have these same emotions. But, you have her staffpeople who believe that because they are ATP's that their anger is a much better "grade," of anger than the common folk. They're little mantra, "I release the part of me, that feels angry when I think of you," obviously isn't working for them. So they walk around in their angry little worlds and believe they are better than everyone else. Angie believes that she is superior to the people who register for the events and treats them like crap. True spiritual people see everyone as equals and would go out of their way to assist people on their spiritual path. I just don't see this with Angela Hatfield and some of the other Doreen Virtue assistants. I can only conclude that Doreen Virtue, herself, doesn't care about how her staff treats people. If she did, she would want to hear about customer complaints, herself, and extend great customer service to the public. With Angela Hatfield as her employee, I fear that she will continue to lose customers until no one wants to buy Doreen Virtue's products or attend her events. I truly hope that Doreen Virtue reads this post, but I doubt it, because I believe she likes to be "protected," from any "negative," but constructive criticism that might help her to continue to succeed. Like the Inquisition and Catholic priests of the past that believed that spirituality and connection to God could only be experienced by the select few, Doreen Virtue's courses have become the same. The Gatekeeper Angie Hatfield decides who she believes is worthy of being "saved," and being "allowed," to register for the course at the lower prices. There are frequent one day 1/2 price and 1/4 price sales only available to a select few and for a limited time, the Gatekeeper only lets a select few register at lower prices. If Doreen Virtue really wanted to open up God and the Angels to everyone, then she'd let anyone come to her course and at a lower price, instead of making it available to only a select few like some kind of high school clique and then encourage bullying by her staff. Instead, she is no better than the Catholics and Born Again Christians that she is so quick to criticize for being exclusive and judgemental.
Correction: It is actually Angie Hartfield not Hatfield who is the evil Gatekeeper/Event Coordinator for Doreen Virtue ATP courses. She apparently has her own little gig at her website http://www.angelahartfield.com
What a joke! Judging by the way she treats people enrolling in Doreen Virtue ATP events, I would have nothing to do with her or any of her courses. Angela or Angie Hartfield has no qualifications to plan any events or work with the public judging by her rotten attitude. Due to rudeness and bad attitude I would give her and Doreen Virtue a bad review or bad reviews for the ability to provide a good course or teach anyone about spirituality. Angela Hartfield is an evil witch. They need to clean up their own acts before they try to teach anyone else anything about becoming a better person or becoming more spiritual.
Doreen sells little angel cards and runs around telling people she is Holy and has a direct connection to the angels. She makes a huge profit for this. She says she can teach you how to see angels if you pay her money. People tell her "oh yes, I see them." It's like the Emperor's New Clothes"
Holiness is being honest, kind and selfless. There really are true angels among us. They do good and kind things and never ask for anything in return. You may have seen them preparing meals for the needy, helping an elderly person who lives alone, rendering aide after some kind of trauma or just taking the time to say a kind word or two to someone who could use a friend.
ATP Staff person Susan is another evil witch that works for Doreen Virtue and is even worse than Angela. I am totally disillusioned by the entire organization. I had read most of Doreen's books and purchased her card decks before realizing what a money hungry phony she truly is. Not once has she ever said anything about performing charitable acts toward the elderly, hungry, etc. In fact, I would venture to say that she is a true sociopath. A sociopath knows the difference between right and wrong, but doesn't care, and does wrong anyways. Doreen fools herself into trying to erase the beliefs in guilt and Karma so that she never feels she does anything wrong. Because she has no guilt, she has no conscience. Her staff people are the same way. She does whatever bad thing she wants and has no regrets. In fact, she even mentions in one of her books how she had people committed to mental institutions for seeing angels when she was a psychologist. I'm sure she never went back and tried to help the many 1000's of people she hurt in the past. Oh, well, she tells herself and never feels any regrets or guilt. And in her courses, she doesn't let anyone question her beliefs. Jesus would allow discussions and was intelligent and true enough to allow this to happen. It also happens in the Jewish synagogues. But if anyone dares to question Doreen on her beliefs, they are thrown out of her circle. Customers are not allowed to complain, so be prepared that if you shell out $1000's and something goes wrong, you will have no recourse and no one to turn to. And with their strict no refund policy, you would be screwed if anything should come up that you couldn't go. It's not even a classroom situation, it is more of a dictatorship.
Because of overwhelming stesses of life, many people seek out comfort and something to believe in. That's how cults originate. If someone feels he has no where to turn, the cult promises salvation and everlasting peace. Just pay your money and you will see the light (or angels in Doreen's case). And, oh by the way, you must think and act exactly as the cult says or you will be cast aside. Cults like this are dangerous to society. They prey on the most vulnerable. They brainwash people into thinking that the cult leader is some kind of profit and is the only one who can lead people to salvation. This is blasphemy of the worst kind. History is full of these false profits. If you have supported Doreen's money grubbing cult, RUN. Count your blessings and live your live in a loving, kind and giving way. You do not need her or anyone else to lead you to salvation. You can do this yourself.
Its amazing how "christians" always say dont judge, then you come across an article like this and all you see is critism and judging, Im a wiccan, and i believe in angels, my fiance and husband to be is a christian and even he says how unbelievable it is how people can judge ones faith. we are only human, just like you!! and some of the people saying this is like a cult, come on people, open your eyes, take into consideration, you have a leader at your church, and its a group, isnt that a cult too???? oh and one of the comment i read saying that we dont need a leader to teach us things, then why are there priests in churches leading your faith???
I am not trying to be judgemental myself, but look at what you guys are saying, its contridicting everything you saying, we dont go and judge your faiths and write articles about christianity, so why try and bash us???
Please just be open minded and think what you are saying
How to make money today. Get a bunch of people (gullible fools) to believe every word you say, it does not matter if it's true or not. Hey worked for George Bush didnt it? You can't see the angels? Dammit you're just not trying hard enough, pay me extra and i'll show you. Over there look, quick, oh missed it again, sorry, maybe next time.
I have read the article on Doreen Virtue and many of the comments. I have read several of Doreen's books and have not taken anything negative from them. In fact, I've looked at her writings with an open mind and used my own judgement to decide what made sense and didn't. I don't think that anything she is trying to say is negative or calling to "evil" entities in any way--in fact just the opposite.
I have a Master's Degree in Healtheology, which I acquired through the American Institute of Holistic Theology, an accredited distance learning school. I studied in this capacity because I had a full time job and two young children at the time. This worked very well for me.
I noticed that there have been claims made here, that Doreen does not have a valid Degree. I'm not sure I follow how this claim is backed up. I'm sure that many would consider my degree to be worthless, but my school is accredited through the "Drugless Practioners" and I worked hard for 9 years for my degree.
I'm afraid the "New Age" movement has a bad name by many religious followers. I'm sorry to hear that because I have found that I have learned a great deal by being open to this and have found both happiness and spiritual healing that unfortunatelly, my Christian upbringing had not given me. In fact, growing up, as a teen, I was in so much spiritual pain and turmoil that I wanted out of my life. I am very happy that I chose not to leave as I have found that changing my attitude has changed my life.
Yes, I am at peace with life, and yes, I have acquired everything that I ever dreamed of and more. Yes, I have asked angels (even prior to reading Doreen's writings) for help in times of need. I have dreamed of angels and what a lovely esperience that is. I have journeyed to Glastonbury on a spirtual journey that brought me to my guide, a Priestess of Avalon. There I also met a clairvoyant (I am not clairvoyant, by the way), who had studied with Doreen Virtue. She seems to me, to be affected very positively by Doreen's teachings. On my trip, I felt guided and protected (by what or who, I don't know), by someone or something that I didn't see. Every step on that sacred journey was amazingly beautiful to me.
As for The Secret, that was mentioned earlier, I didn't feel like that was bogus at all. IThere have been some scientific studies proving that positive thinking can bring positive things to you. If you follow quantum physics, you know that everything in the Universe is vibrating at a certain frequency throughout the Universe. Whatever you do, think, or say, has a vibration that emanates out into the cosmos and pulls other things that are vibrating at the same frequency to you. So, as in the example, the killings at Virginia Tech-- I'm sure those kids were not thinking about a shooting, however, they may have had some negative thoughts going on--perhaps relationship problems, perhaps someone died, perhaps, as with the shooter, they felt alienated from friends or a misfit in society. These are negative thoughts that can acclimate to bring negative things to a climax. I'm sure nobody there intended for that to happen. It is sometimes very difficult to focus on positive when negative things happen. I don't think the book stated anywhere that you should ignore the negative happenings in your life--just try not to dwell on them, because that starts you on a negative spiral downward.
I can only respond from my own experience, and my experiences have been very good ones. I have gone from a very sad, distraught, anxious person, who probably would have been put on drugs if I had seen a Dr., to a peacefull, go with the flow, happy person who lives life to the fullest. I have never felt or believed that God was something to be feared, but I feel that all of us in this world are part of the same thing--we are all children of God (if you are a follower of the Bible). In that respect, none of us should be passing judgement on those who believe differently.
Are Doreen's writings a hoax? I don't know. I've never seen an angel (aside from in dreams), nor have I seen faeries, or other entities. Do they exist? I don't know. I am certainly interested in hearing her perspective and I do know that in talking to Angels and Faeries, etc. I have found I am much happier than I have ever been before. I have also found healing and protection in communicating my requests to higher powers.
That is my opinion, for what it is worth.
I've read a few of Doreen Virtue's books and have heard her on CoasttoCoast radio a few times. My only claim to angel contact that I'm aware of is that I can see the colors of them and feel them around me -- sometimes.
Today I received an email about a four-day course in Hawaii that Doreen Virtue is giving on how to become a certified Angel Therapist.
From her newsletter:
"The four-day course is personally taught by Doreen Virtue in a beautiful oceanfront venue on the Big Island of Hawaii, with its powerful healing energy, from October 29 through November 1, 2009. "
I was intrigued and wanted to learn more about it. Considering my sister lives in Hawaii, this could be a nice two-fer learning vacation. And if her program is legit, maybe it would help me be a better astrologer, heighten my spiritual awareness, etc. I began to look forward to this vacation/workshop until....After reading the description about her course online, my next stop was to check out the prices for the host hotel. But I was UNpleasantly surprised to find that that information isn't given to you until AFTER you sign up and pay the conference tuition of $777 (early registration fee, usually $999). That just doesn't seem right to me. Why aren't we told the name of the hotel and how much it costs BEFORE we pay for the course? That raises a red flag for me. I don't understand the secrecy??? Then there is this:
"Cancellation Policy -- A $250 cancellation applies to all classes. No refunds will be honored less than sixty (60) days prior to the event. There are no exceptions to this policy. There are no transfers possible for this class or any classes."
A couple red flags and I'm doing a search on Doreen Virtue's reputation. That's what landed me here. I don't know what to think now.
Tara
Hello everyone, for years I read Doreen Virtues books and purchased her Angel cards. I must admit that the cards gave me a message which many times I interpret it such a way it would fit my current question (Many times my interpretation was out there) but again, it is a message from the Angels.
Then a few days ago I ran into an iPhone application called "Messages From Your Angels Perpetual Calendar" by Doreen Virtue. I purchased it for the price of $3.99 (Now it is $2.99 - wonder why? - being sarcastic here). The application features messages from your angels but what they do not tell you is that the messages are attached to each day (365 messages) of the year no matter what year you are in. In other words, I will receive as well as everyone else the same message on January 1st 2010, 2011, 2012, etc.
I was very surprised to see hoe "my" angels would give the person next to me the "same" message on the same day. Wow!!! That is synchronicity!!!
Anyway, I found the Doreen Virtue's iPhone application information very misleading and after reading the article above as well as the comments that followed I can see why. It was a great disappointment.
However, I found other applications that are more realistic when it comes to messages you can received; for example "Universe Nazca Cards". This deck of digital cards are given to you in a random way pretty much the same way you shuffle your deck which is what I expected form Doreen Virtue's cards. So now I receive my messages using the Nazca Cards instead of the Doreen Virtue's cards.
Live and Learm!!!
OK!
1. Healers, by reference alone, heal people!
2. Any modality ONLY works IF you believe it will.
3. There will always be skeptics just as the church has atheists.
4. There has never been a Holistic war, yet wars over religion are still raging everywhere.
5. Any writer of any book LIKES to make money, people are not FORCED to buy any book and that’s called FREE WILL, people within denominations of certain churches MUST pay tithing’s of 10% of their income for LIFE! (now who's doing it for money only) (also the Vatican is the richest country in the world (yes, it is a country))
6. I have studied many modalities and do not practice under the name tag of any of them as I do not fully (100%) believe in 1 single system that works. BUT I can tell you now, they DO work and they do change people’s lives and it's ALWAYS for the better.
7. Religion is for people who are scared to go to hell, Spirituality is for people who have already been there!
Negativity is from non-believers, anyone can change their beliefs at any time.
No matter what you decide to educate yourself in it costs money.
Truthfully, here's my take on paying for things.
1. To cheap: you'll expect a cheap product for a cheap price! (it won't work to its specification ot it will break easily)
2. Mid range: unsure if it's going to be a lesser product than the expensive one and not sure if it's going to break like the cheap one. When it does work you'll brag about the lower cost you got than someone else paid for the more expensive version and when it breaks you'll complaing about how much it cost.
3. Expensive: (correctly priced) If you pay a premium for ANYTHING!! you expect it to damn well work and work to its specifications exactly! If it breaks you expect it to be replaced under warranty and you'll be proud for being able to afford such an item and cherish it.
Examples: for the socially tainted mindset.
SIMPLE VERSION
1. A second hand junker car: Iit'll break down, over heat, wobble at 65mph. But you'll expect it to, its CHEAP
2. A mid range, possibly used car: It'll get you around town without to much hassle, yet when you take the out of town trip it'll not sit on the highway well and maybe there's a slight wobble at 50 that clears at 55 and the electric sunroof keeps on jamming. All the premium cars keep flashing you to move over as they want to overtake.
3. The high end car: It starts everytime, granted it drinks more gas, but wow it flys, the aircon always works, the seats are heated for the cold weather. You take pride in the vehicle and IF anything should go wrong the dealership will bring you a loaner while they service it.
HOLISTIC VERSION
1. The $10 medium: You see a medium at a fairground and she tells you a whole bunch of things you kinda relate to. Nothing is out of the ordinary and you feel the $10 would have been better spent on a burger. (no offence to fairground mediums intended, this is purely and EXAMPLE thought up in my head (free will))
2. You check out the local ad papers and find a practitioner offering healing at discounted price with a special offer on 5 sessions for $250.00: You go see the practitioner and feel like things are helping you understand your life and your self a little better. No main issues get resolved and you either tell your friends that you think you could have found someone better or you just don't bother going back again.
3. You goto a well recommended practitioner who charges $200.00 per hour: You walk into the practitioners nicely preened, well turned out office and your mindset is 'I will damn well get my moneys worth', this IS the right attitude. You come out of every session feeling like every cent of the $200.00 was well spent and can't wait to book the next session. You see changes happen in your life and explain to your friends that spending $200.00 was the best money invested ever.
Now please not I used the term 'practitioner', this can refer to ANY modality, even a shrink (these DO work for some people).
Differences?
Chiropractor: Works with the physcial.
Shrink: Works with the pshycological (these are also known as Alienists, look it up)
Healer / Holistic Practitioner: Works with energy and emotions. (we all have them, even you big guy!)
Doesn't matter which one works for you, just work it out, go see the one you need and stop complaining about getting no value for money when you're a cheap charlie!!!
Don't brag about how little you paid for something like it's a competition and then moan and gripe about it when it doesn't last or doesn't wotk. Save up, buy the deluxe version and damn well enjoy it!
I hope this message helps people understand that they are just driven by ego?
Whats ego? What role does it play in our lives?
You best see a consultant!!
Or email me back.
But i'm NOT cheap.
Love, Life, Spirit!
M.Bodhi
wo dudes! I'm sitting here re-reading over some of these articles....
Indigos... very special... more special than the little Down Syndrome child on the street?
Doreen Virtue now has her son Charles writing books about angels.. she's getting a D.I.V.O.R.C.E from Stephen Farmer, has her other son writing books too, and is making a mint off the backs of insecurities in people. I wish her the very best of luck when she meets some of those angels she has peddled around like cheap bikes, and for so long.
I was caught out by her for a while.... The woman is a thief. And a scam artist. She had some very good women working with her at one stage, but they've all left. Thank God.
And I pity the poor fools who are caught up with her still. Those who got out are very lucky; she needs to be sued.
She is not a proper doctor. She does NOT have the qualifications. She will NOT allow anyone to question her, and she is NOT straight up about her business. For that is what it is; a business... nothing more than a slick selling of snake oil.
Dear Savattra
I agree with the fact that some people who claim to be spirtual healers do play with people's minds beacuse it happened to me once with a psychic who robbed me of money , her name claimed to be Angela Mcgill Aka Angela johnson and almost made me go crazy. She was not as positive as Doreen with her love and angels. On the other hand she told me dark spirits were around me and scared me half to death. She said I had to pay her several thousands of dollars to cleanse me of this. It was the most horrible experience of my life. She had a hold on me for about 4 years and one day I was lucky enough to snap out of it. Since then I am very spiritual and understand that I have the power to make my life what ever I want it to be and that no Demon can get to me unless I let my mind believe it. I have read some of Doreens literature and I think some of her thinking is positive, but I am sceptical about some other thoughts she has that sound pretty crazy. Sincerly yours , Anniepie
Totally. Look, the woman is a scam artist. Simple as that. She's a thief. She robs from the poor to get driven around in Limos. How she can sleep at night boggles the mind.
well if giving people hope is a crime then she, I and most other healers are all guilty.
I guess what ever was wrong with you didn't get healed?
Maybe your belief system is so narrow minded it can never be changed?
I pity you, namaste'
M.Bodhi
How did you find out she was getting divorced from Steven Farmer? I was just curious. It seems as if everyone is very tight lipped about it.
Thank you for this article! I for one would love to hear more about this 'other' side of her...I think it is important because life is not all airy fairy and she never talks about her hardships or makes her stories remotely close to everyday life for example I read her Goddess and Angel book and she was saying how she wanted to move into a new house to me I interpreted that as sorry my 5 million dollar house on the beach isn't enough let me get a more expensive place...I used to really admire her but as time went on I just felt like she has no clue? I always wondered why she never did more like start up a foundation like louise hay or show pictures of her going to help others in a charitable sense...maybe she has and maybe i am being to hard on her but I really thank hurricane baby for unveiling the truth. And there is no shame in the truth its only when you try to hide or be something you are not.
It's sad if anyone gets a divorce. I"m not judging her on that. Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors... and everyone has a right to privacy. Including Doreen Virtue and Stephen Farmer.
It's just the God Damn lies man that gets to me. The false hopes and the money that vulnerable people have dished out to her and her kids - it's dangerous. Very Cult-like. And extremely dishonest. God help you Doreen.
I guess if there was such a concern about her privacy, I wonder why the subject of her getting divorce was brought up. After all, that is very personal issue. It makes me question the so called facts being brought to the table and whether the information is legitimate. If that is the case, are we any better then she is for talking about it?
I am no great fan of Doreen's. I have found many of her practices to be questionable. But if we are bringing half truths about a person who is not here to defend herself aren’t we being just as two faced as she is reported to be. I believe in facts. If statements issued are unable to be backed with facts, we need to think seriously about what we say in the first place.
Wo! Don't shoot the messenger! It's not a half truth... and it's not that she's getting divorced???! it's because of the pure bullshit she's been pushing! NO... I correct myself.. It's not pure bullshit.... it's mostly...... i believe in angels, but they are not here with us to bow to our every whim so we can make money, as Doreen pushes, in a very smart way, I might add. I am not Catholic, Protestant or of any other religion... I was raised Catholic in Ireland, so I know what it is to be given a lot of stories to make us adhere and be bowing and scraping...
I"m bored with this. But let me pose this.....
If you are entirely happty with life, would you be buying her cards and such? It's looking for an answer outside of ourselves......
Faith is great..... but the answer is within.... God is everywhere... in us.. as us... with us.. for us... but we are NOT God.
Look..... I've made my point is... there have been many religions set up with promises.... mostly the price has been to be subservient to the religion in question. Maybe Doreen is able to communicate with the angels? If she says this, I have no reason to question her.
It's all these books, promises, subservience, bickering,and suddenly, yes, suddenly her two sons can see angels and pass on their 'suggestions'. When other well known 'angel seers' say emphatically that it is not usually passed on through the family...... But the truth is... as human, we all, without question, have an agenda,... even in the angel field..... Because we are human....If not...... then we are God... because as humans we have egos... I dont
doubt anyone reading this will disagree with my last statetment.
Doreen Virtue PhD (or however it's spelled!) has made a small fortune telling us all about angels. For some people it is much more than a small fortune....2.3 million dollars a year probably being a very conservative estimate. I'd even go as far as to divide that by four or more to the plus.
I have friends, a lot, who are quite wealthy. they go about their business and earn big. A lot in music, a lot in property, etc. They all promise something to get the sale. However, I believe there is a line... When somebody promises that the angels will do whatever you want as long as the cards this somebody draws gives the right answer to a question that might be very difficult to ask, let alone hear an answer that might not suit them or downright affect the next movements of their life, then something is really wrong.
GET OUT! GO AND DO SOMETHING TO HELP SOMEONE ELSE WITHOUT LOOKING FOR ANYTHING BACK. IT'S THAT SIMPLE! NOT EASY TO FOLLOW AND IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO BOW AND SCRARE, BUT IT'S THE ANSWER!!!!!
DO THE NEXT RIGHT THING! THAT'S ALL THAT' REQUIRED
I do not dispute what you say about Doreens practices, they have been proven to be less then desirable. We already know that they are catching up with her.
What I DO have a problem with are statements and accusations made and no proof given of it being true. When it was requested to back that information with proof we are told in so many ways that it is none of our business by self-righteously saying she has a right to privacy.
However, I noticed there had been little concern with her privacy a few posts ago when attacks were flying. If you don’t want to say where you received your information that is one thing, I can respect that, but saying things like “I just knew” isn’t going to fly with me. It sends up red flags that someone is not telling the truth and I WILL call you on it.
Saying “I just knew” is no better than Doreen saying “God/Michael told me to tell you such and such”. With statements like that, it is understood that no questioning of that information is allowed. How are your statements any different then what Doreen has done with her followers? Both you and Doreen are asking for readers to have blind faith in what you say.
Wo Wo wo baby! Ok.. I didn't 'just know'.. and you're right. I can't say. Well done mate for calling me up on it.. now I'll turn my arse so you can spank me the other way! YOu must be a teacher or somethign, are you? it doesn't matter to me if I'm believed or not.. I'll go on about my daily business and hopefully all will be well. As I said, aw God.. getting bored here....
Anyway, gotta fly. Many people do accuse me of being 'away with the fairies', now that I think of it... mmmmmm **pats own head thoughtfully looking all contemplative and brainy**
(pat pat pat)
:)
I just want to thank you for writing this article.
I myself once bought a book written by Doreen Virtue called “Healing with the Fairies,” and it was so terrible I actually threw it away. To this day, 5 years later, I still haven’t come to terms with how bad that book was. I can’t believe that I actually threw that book into the trash, which is something I had never done before, as I respect books and writers too much to treat a book like garbage.
However, the wild claims made by Doreen Virtue (who is, for lack of a better descriptive name, a fraudulent dipstick ) in her horrible book were so appalling, I wanted a full refund for the money I spent on the book. Once I realized that I couldn’t get my money back, I just wanted to take my anger out on the book--I think probably because I couldn’t take my rage out on Doreen Virtue herself. Even a chance glance at that book on my bookshelf served as a reminder of how I had been mercilessly swindled by a con-artist into buying her crap book. The only reason I chose to throw the book away instead of burning it is because I am not a Nazi.
It was just so horrible I can’t even fully explain how bad it was. In her writings, she basically took mainstream New Age teachings and blended them with her own ‘channeled’ crazy bullsh*t, with the end results being total crazy garbage. For instance, in the fairies book, Virtue made all kinds of stupid statements and idiotic claims. She made claims such as, “I was healed by a tree,” and “I was healed by a mermaid.”
This woman even went so far as to claim that butter and other milk products make her aura ‘greasy.’
I don’t know if I believe in fairies or not, but in her horrible book, Doreen Virtue spent more time talking about her personal life and how the fairies helped lead her to her ‘soul mate,’ and then never even got around to talking about the mechanics of just how it is a person would go about being healed by fairies—which I thought was the point of the stupid book.
One of the crazier things she did claim was that ‘light workers’ sometimes will get a whistling sound in their ears because ‘fairies’ are supposedly downloading enlightened information directly into their subconscious minds through the aid of said whistling. That’s certainly not what they taught me in my anatomy class when we studied the ear, I can say that for a fact.
Let me tell you something else that is true, if this woman really did hallucinate ‘angles,’ ‘fairies,’ ’mermaids’ and every other crazy thing she said she saw, at the very least she would have been subjected to rigorous psychological evaluations to makes certain that she did not schizophrenia. You don’t just wander around saying things like, “Hey, I was healed by a mermaid,” without people saying in return, “Yeah, that or else you’re crazy.”
Now, it’s a true fact that I will believe a lot of stuff, and I am quite gullible, I’m not going to lie to you. But good God man, I’m not retarded. Doreen Virtue is a fraud of the worst kind and yet when I do an online search I find very little support when it comes to other people being in agreement to her obviously fraudulent, dishonest, and uneducated ways. I don’t understand how people can read the crap spewed by Virtue and not become angry.
The Indigo child garbage is a bunch of swill too. I tried to read that dross once even before I tried to read that god awful fairy book, and it was just lies and garbage. Honestly, I truly believe that the people who accept the teachings of Doreen Virtue represent the very worst of what the New Age community has to offer. They’re totally rated up there with people who wear pyramids on their heads. It’s stunning to me the kinds of things these people are willing to believe and it saddens me too. To be honest, I blame the American education system for this degeneration into stupidity, for we are failing to teach little children critical thinking skills in this country.
At any rate, thank you for posting your article, it made my day, and it let me know that there are other people out there who agree with me that Doreen Virtue is not a good woman. Doreen Virtue is a rich con-artist, and that’s all she is, and it's all she ever will be. Amen!
Well I am slightly different to all on here as I happen to believe in Angels but I have grown weary of Doreen for a while as I noticed she seems to be a money hound now not at first maybe it is her husband maybe he is a dark one how does anyone know? As a worker with Angels I am wondering what she is doing regarding issues that need urgent attention such as the state of the planet, the demise of the animals and the dark cloud that hovers over head of us all ie wars, pollution.
I think it appalling for anyone to use their gifts this way, its called a gift for a reason, you don't give a person a gift and ask them to pay for it do you? I know I do not I do see that many seem to charging a lot of money for people to tap into these beautiful beings. Now not many believe that is your own choosing as I don't believe in Jesus the name is wrong. But i can't see how telling people how to make things happen for themselves only is anything but selfish. She should be telling people how to help the planet with her meditations and I see no book on this or seen any Cd's. I see books where she writes a short part then others share their stories and cards that all seem to say the same message. I do in fact have at least 4 of her books and 4 Oracle cards. I use one pack the others all the same. She has made a fortune out of people you can't even go on her forum unless you have paid for classes its an outrage.
Their are so many people that need help and seek angelic assitance who can't afford her classes or books as they are trying to feed themselves and keep a roof over their head does she help them well no you can't message her and get a reply. Too busy spending her money i guess. The reason the planet has had a economical crisis is people charging to much and ripping us off. It has to stop a true servant of God would do his work for free and know this that servant will be given riches to him by natural means and be rich in heaven.
I will not buy any more of her stuff as I just can't when I see her get rich while others are still suffering she should try helping the people of this planet not lining her pockets. Wake up Angels want us to help survive help those in need. Just like the true words of the one you call Jesus. This life will not be that important once its over you can't take your riches with you but The Source or God will be waiting so you better have some good answers ready.
i think this guys underlying msg is good..which is to question everything that you come across in the media and so forth. always follow your hearts and believe in your own truths..there is no right or wrong here..everyone is entitled to their own opinion...if you wanna believe in fairies and angels and mermaids please do so and all the power to you! use your imagination and keep it alive as much as possible! when someone comes along and wants to sell you something even if it is a seemingly good thing you always have to questions their motives...we dont know whats goin on in that great beyond with angels and god and the rules of the universe..we can only guess when it comes down to it...what we have to question is what we know to be wrong in this world and that is our government and the atrocities going on in this world..there is corruption and greed and war and we have to take steps to stop it. never trust the media and the education system its trying to keep you dumbed down..find the love in your hearts and call on those angels and god if you want to if it gives you comfort and strength and lets take our world back from those corrupt men behind the curtain!
When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace.
Jimi Hendrix
ps i recommend the documentary zeitgeist and anything exposing the bilderberg group.
i think this guys underlying msg is good..which is to question everything that you come across in the media and so forth. always follow your hearts and believe in your own truths..there is no right or wrong here..everyone is entitled to their own opinion...if you wanna believe in fairies and angels and mermaids please do so and all the power to you! use your imagination and keep it alive as much as possible! when someone comes along and wants to sell you something even if it is a seemingly good thing you always have to questions their motives...we dont know whats goin on in that great beyond with angels and god and the rules of the universe..we can only guess when it comes down to it...what we have to question is what we know to be wrong in this world and that is our government and the atrocities going on in this world..there is corruption and greed and war and we have to take steps to stop it. never trust the media and the education system its trying to keep you dumbed down..find the love in your hearts and call on those angels and god if you want to if it gives you comfort and strength and lets take our world back from those corrupt men behind the curtain!
When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace.
Jimi Hendrix
ps i recommend the documentary zeitgeist and anything exposing the bilderberg group.
Doreen Virtue had indeed divorced husband number four, Steven Farmer. It is in her November 2009 newsletter which she has published, available for all members of the public to read. In fact it makes a rather interesting read! Mr Farmer is the persecutor she is the victim! Ms Virtue has stated that the court has ordered her to pay Mr Farmer $35,000 US Dollars a month in alimony.
She further states that she initially wanted to retire from teaching but decided to resume purely based on money due to having to pay alimony to her ex-husband. However, conveniently (in my opinion) she now wants to resume her angel work not for the money but because of her Divine life purpose.
Hi Everyone,
I used to be a fan of Doreen Virtue back in 2006 and 2007. I became dissillusioned with her in 2008 when I realized a lot of what she wrote was not backed up with any references, facts, or even logic. A lot of what she writes is based on her own "channeling" sessions, and much of it contradicts with what other people have expierenced in regards to the same topics.
Although, I ended up remaining signed on to her Newsletter, and recieved it by email on occasion. I was utterly shocked by the TONE of her November/2009 email. In between the lines, you can tell, this women is devastated AND embarrased by her divorce. She is calling him a PERSECUTOR and saying that she has forgiven him, but CLEARLY she is bull shitting. I didn't know that for the past year, she's been dealing with a divorce from her "TWIN FLAME" husband Stephen Farmer. Although, I do feel a great deal of sympathy about the divorce--it is painful and very difficult.
But at the same time...wow! I believe it's shocking because this is a woman who constantly wrote about her soulmate connection with her husband, and how he was her TWIN FLAME. Her one and only. How the Angels and Fairies helped them to find each other, and blah, blah, blah. This is going to disappointing to her fans, because like me at the time, she IS relied upon as an example. If anything this is a WAKE UP call, not just for her readers, but also HERSELF.
Sincerely,
Sonia
Never before in the history of World beliefs have mortals conversed with as equals, coerced, directed, ordered or otherwise 'used' the entities or spirits closest to the Divine (which some call Angels) for their own personal preferences. Who are we to know the intricate nature of the grand design?
One of the BIG reasons that the early monotheistic religions forbade shamanic beliefs, witchcraft and similar 'individual' connection to the spirit realms was because they wanted us to have to trust in the Divine purpose for all things. Invoking spirits for our own personal use and expecting them to all be 'fluffy, goodness and light with only our best interests at heart is foolhardy at best, downright dangerous at worst.
How many deeply spiritual and religious leaders who have dedicated their entire lives to prayer, mediation, good works, teaching and enlightenment have even claimed to have personal associations with more than 2 or 3 Divine entities? Yet the Doreen Virtue money-go-round claims seemingly personal knowledge of not only all the Angles but ascended masters, fairies and a whole host more. A dozen lifetimes would not be enough to know all this with any authority and I imagine that most of these publications contain material aimed at spiritual seekers who have no firm direction.
Married and divorced 4 times, this does not demonstrate any kind of stability or commitment to human relationships and given the subject matter she prefers to write about, I leave it up to you to decide whether she prefers to live in reality or fantasy. I personally don't mind what decisions people make in their personal lives but a spiritual leader as Ms Virtue would have us believe her to be, surely has to command respect for basic human tenants. If you can't look up to her in the basic aspects of her life, then what does that say?
Every person here has the right to question what really works for them in their own life by proof and evidence. Has Ms Virtue given you a 'direct line' to an Angel or has she given you permission to look outside of the normal and make your own mind up? Are you living your soul purpose (and therefore your Divine purpose) as a result of her words or are you seeing the messages all around you, every day and trusting your own intuition? If its a combination of both, perhaps, regardless of whether what Ms Virtue writes is true or not, it has done some good. The key is not to give our power away to anyone - trust what has proved to work for YOU and don't believe all you read.
Everything your saying about the bible, and Jesus, and demons, and Moses and excreta can't be proved anymore then what Doreen Virtue claims. It's all a matter of faith. And people have different faiths. Personally, I'll stick with Doreen Virtue because what she has to say gives me a sense of happiness and peace. The Bibles supposed to be a loving book, and maybe for people who are inspired by it, it somehow is, but for me, outside of valuable lessons like the golden rule which it did not originate by the way, all it's given me is fear and horror about going to some supposedly real place called hell, told me I was a sinner, and basically called me every damn name in the world, while esposing to preach "love". I'll stick with Doreen Virtue, thank you, where beautiful angels see me as a wonderful person and help me every day.
Hello,
I have read some Doreen Virtue's books, and in answer only to some of the above arguments, and not to defend or condemn her, because this is not my place, here are just a few of my thoughts/opinions on some issues:
1. Money is a good thing, not a bad thing
2. It's the way we think about money or use it that can be good or bad
3.The Catholic as well as other churches are pretty rich, too
4. Although many people do not believe in angels, many people do. Obviously the books are written for those who do.
5. In the end, all these books do is encourage us to pray. Ask and it will be given, as the Bible says.
Finally I would like to share a personal story where a friend of mine read a prayer in the book written by D. Virtue 'Healing with the Angels'. The prayer was for parents who want to better communicate with and help their children - my friend read this prayer one night and the very next morning she discovered that her in-house nanny was physically abusing her child. She fired her on the spot and this went a long way to helping her heal her relationship with her child (who by the way could not speak and tell her what was going on).
These and all books as well as people offering information are just tools to help us improve our life and ourselves. How we use these tools is up to us!
Wow, this conversation has been going on for more than 2 years...interesting... well people are passionate about their beliefs that is for sure, this blog is living proof. Spirituality means different things to different people. think about all that was going on in the world as far as equality and prejudices go way back when the bible was written. The bible is a good start and at that time fear was the only way to control the masses. Now we have evolved and grown as humans and on a soul level. I am NOt dismissing the bible and its teachings but people change and grow by nature and thus does spirituality and our belief systems. Anything...whether it be the bible or any book that makes you feel guilty, afraid or judged is not written in God's words. We have set limitations on God's love with our ego driven human minds. God's love is not conditional, our love is. Those that read the bible would see, it clearly states over and over that the power of God is within us, so speaking of God as seperate from yourself nad an allmighty judge of humans means you missed the point entirely.
I have read Doreen's books and done her meditations and even talked to her for a reading a handful of times. What I experienced was valid when she did Angel Therapy on me, then again I am very sensitive to beings and energies around me that are not visible, I felt physical sensations while she was working on me or should I say while the angels were working on me. I have her angel oracle card deck and the messages are very loving and god driven. I'm not fighting for any side here, just sharing my own experience. Doreen's book resonate with me, if they don't them don't read them, read something else. As far as her divorce goes, even soulmates part ways. She never said this is the man I will spend eternity with, she said I found the man I was looking for, people change and grow apart. We are all her to learn valuable lessons in love and our soulmates are our greatest teachers.
Blessings,
Amberama28
I haven't had chance to read all of the comments. I agree and disagree with you Savvatra. There are angels and demons in this world. Demons prey on those negative souls and take on nasty habits like smoking, alcoholism etc. People have to be strong in this life to avoid manipulation, and a way to do that is to invoke the archangels or your guardian angel.
The name of your guardian angel is the first name that comes to you during meditation. I also believe that anyone with a true clairvoyant gift should give it out freely and not charge. Una Pearce is a spiritualist in Huddersfield and she does not charge a penny. I give out reiki freely.
I am a natural optimist. I give out money freely and do not expect anything in return. How many of us really consider how beneficial it is to give freely to others in the world. A quick smile, a compliment, dropping a penny for someone to find etc. A lot of the world is about selfish gain. Look at how everything goes up. It is truly ridiculous, but sadly we live in it. Money is another form of energy at the end of the day, think good about it and be happy and grateful for everything you have in your life and you will attract more of it whether through angel therapy or not.
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